Pastors and vacations Part II

[ColleenLovesMischief]

:x: Seriously my pastor got home like Saturday last week from a 2 week cruise. He left again today. Gone for the weekend. Once again our shepherd is out gallivanting. He preforms a wedding Sunday afternoon I know that. I am not sure where they are but he arrived safely. Comments? He left after complaining about money shortage in the church (form a man with a $40,000 salary). Says we can't run our van ministry as much as we need to. Also word is the elders are complaining that we have the kids away from their parents too much. We used to have them 6 hours a week now we only have them 4.

[Anonymous]

I started to write my on person thoughts on this... but decided not to. Maybe theres more behind the story...than what you are aware of! If there is wrong doing, it should be bought up by your deacons and board members, they should address the situation.

We had a similar situation in my former church. But alot of the problems were not discovered until the pastor and his staff had left. I still am un sure about the complete truth behind it....Guess it's in the Lord's to handle.

AP

[ColleenLovesMischief]

I agree it's in the Lords hands. Funny thing he leaves and the strife and stress comes back cause no one will do anything without the pastors ok, and he's gone again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :suspect:

[irishcowboy]

It sounds as if it is time to do something...... Talk dont seem to be working.......

If the church is one the pastor started, devoloped, built ( the building ) and such, then you may have a different problem......

if the pastor just moved in and took over when the previous pastor moved on, with out a vote, then that can be a problem....

if the pastor is the church, the one in charge of the building, equipment and such, owning it or renting it under his name as being the guarenteer, then he might have a problem if when he comes back some time and no one is in the church anymore......

a flock with out a shepherd will wonder and get lost, or find another shepherd to provide for them.....

a shepherd with a rebellous flock, will have a hard time keeping the flock together, moving in the same direction.

a body where one part is not functioning, but is also causing problems with the rest of the body, such as a leg that has died, or turned gangreen, must be separated from the body, lest the entire body dies......

you may or may not have seen it, but some diabetics, have problems with circulation, to the point that they end up loosing a limb because it dies from lack of blood flow...

if that limb is not removed, it will cause the rest of the body to die..... literally.....

the body of the church is the same way.... if you have a dead member to the body, it either has to be REVIVED, OR REMOVED..... if it can not be revived, then removal is the next step, for if it stays, it will effect the rest of the body, and it also will die......

some things that kill parts of the body......

strife, jealousy, envy, anger, bitterness, laziness, gossip, pride, selfcenteredness, and more.......

as has been mentioned, this must be taken before the Lord, and I mean in prayer and fasting...... bring the elders together and stay in seasion until God has revealed His desire.......

the elders need to also take responsibility for the flock when the pastor is not availible.... and the Deacons, and then the rest of the congregation....

from what i have seen and experienced in my life, thru self and thru observation, probably about 90 % of things that happen to a person, is of their own doing....

meaning, out of every thing that happens to you , 90% you caused, not some one else.......

i have seen people that would claim that 100% was other people doing it to them.... no, wrong, they were not taking responsibility for their own actions...... with those, it would be more like every thing that happened to them was of their own doings, their own actions, or maybe inaction......

seek the Lord on this, if a person is not willing to speak out what is needed or willing to step out and do something, i believe it best not to even say anything.....

just like voting..... if you do not vote, you do not have the privilage to complain about the administration...... so vote.... if you are not willing to take action, then do not speak against those that are taking action, or trying to do something.....

inaction is just as wrong as the wrong action, actually, i feel it is worse.....

very respectfully,

your friend and brother...

mike

[Guest Gladiator4God]

my wife left out his 3k expense account.....and hes not at the church that often comes at 10am normally and is outta there by2pm they have a monthly elders meeting he attends but that kills 2 hrs.......i need to get an application for pastor

[ColleenLovesMischief]

If the church is one the pastor started, devoloped, built ( the building ) and such, then you may have a different problem......

This is more the situation. And my husband was wrong about the expense account $3,500 is more like it.

[Guest Gladiator4God]

so i was off by 500 picky picky

[Guest Gladiator4God]

Thanks river but i dont think pastor is in the cards for me.....i am called to serve so i do, i dont want glory here i want it in heaven

[Catsmeow]

My heart is heavy. I know there's wonderful pastors out there and they should be paid for their work. They deserve vacations and $40,000 isn't that much money...it's reasonable in most regions, although in some areas it wouldn't barely make it....

It'd be enough in Florida but Illinois...no chance. It costs a fortune to live up north...winter clothing, snow tires, extra maintainance costs for your cars, the cost of heating fuel...etc.

Here in Florida...we dress the same most the year, no snow tires or tows to worry with...and our utility bills are always low. I think our highest and hottest month was $120, and we have a big house (and I like air conditioning... a lot).

So, it's hard to say if his salary is very high depending on where in the country you live. To me, that's not a lot of money. It's somewhere in the middle.

If the wife doesn't work, it's not much at all. He has to feed the whole brood.

But if he loves his work, that should be the focus, right? Does he have medical and dental care? That can cost a bundle!!! Then there's the cost of prescriptions.

It costs a lot to feed a family these days.

[Guest dove2]

Where is part I of this thread? I missed it completely. :sleep: