A Roman Miracle

[Guest shiloh357]

Mobile21

All the Bible is narrative because narrative is the depiction of historical events. You can learn the doctrine about the Son of God becoming man because of the "narrative" of the New Testament so you get to learn the doctrine by reading the biblical narrative.

As for the passage, I quoted it as an example of what intercession is.

No, the Bible is not all narrative. Phillipians is not narrative, Romans is not narrative, Jude is not narrative, James, Hebrews, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd John are not narratives, Psalms is not a narrative, Proverbs is not narrative, I could list more that do not fall into the category of being narrative.

You cannot just make a doctrine out of any passage you see fit. The Bible outlines for us what is doctrine. Not everything presented in narrative passages is offered as doctrine. The Bible tells us what Scriptures are to be seen as doctrinal.

You cannot use the 1st Kings passage you cited earlier, because the Bible doesn't refer back to it as an example of intercession. It certainly does not refer to the woman as being a reference to Mary.

[Douay]

Winston-Salem State University associate professor Dan Wishnietsky found that 13.5 percent of North Carolina high school graduates said they

[Douay]

Found that on the internet for you, hope you don't send your kids to school, that's much worse than sending them to church.

[Guest charlie]

artsy,, once again from the article:

""More pentecostal preachers have been busted for sexual immorality than Roman priests while the Roman church has been around two thousand years and pentecostalism less than one hundred years.""

Are you afraid to do some research lady? You owe me an apology for calling me a liar. Keep in mind there are a whole lot less pentacostals than there are Catholics so the ratio of perverts is higher. You understand ratios don't you? I bet you didn't bother to run even a cursory check using a search engine. Anyway you fail to see the big picture which I've already pointed out. Satan has used sexual vunerablility to exploit the church leaders of ALL denominations...and it causes souls to be lost. You are unable to address the many points I brought up and THAT'S the reason you are attempting not to coverse. You're fooling noone but yourself? If you refuse to do a little research I could always go get more and put it here for you and everyone else to see.

Interesting article on the teachers molesting or taking advantage of school kids. Can any of us honestly say we don't know of someone's kid this has happened to?

btw - Is Jimmy Swaggert still preaching or did he finally get run out of the pullpit after he got caught with a prostitute that SECOND time?

[artsylady]

Found that on the internet for you, hope you don't send your kids to school, that's much worse than sending them to church.

Why did you bother finding that and posting it? If you did it for my benefit, please stop wasting your time and mine. It proves nothing about anything we are even discussing.

[artsylady]

Charlie:

""More pentecostal preachers have been busted for sexual immorality than Roman priests while the Roman church has been around two thousand years and pentecostalism less than one hundred years.""

What article???????!!! This sounds like a quote from someone? This is not research!

Are you afraid to do some research lady? You owe me an apology for calling me a liar. Keep in mind there are a whole lot less pentacostals than there are Catholics so the ratio of perverts is higher.

Until you can prove this absurd statement, I won't discuss anything else with you.

If you refuse to do a little research I could always go get more and put it here for you and everyone else to see.

Yes, please do, because I refuse to waste my time researching something bogus that i 'learn' about on the net from you! So present your so-called 'facts' for everyone to see!!!!

btw - Is Jimmy Swaggert still preaching or did he finally get run out of the pullpit after he got caught with a prostitute that SECOND time?

Yes, I beleive he probably is. Sad isn't it? What's your point? That there are dumb Christians out there? So what? Is that your point? Point taken. Move on and PROVE YOUR WILD ACCUSATION!

[mobile21]

Mobile21

All the Bible is narrative because narrative is the depiction of historical events. You can learn the doctrine about the Son of God becoming man because of the "narrative" of the New Testament so you get to learn the doctrine by reading the biblical narrative.

As for the passage, I quoted it as an example of what intercession is.

No, the Bible is not all narrative. Phillipians is not narrative, Romans is not narrative, Jude is not narrative, James, Hebrews, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd John are not narratives, Psalms is not a narrative, Proverbs is not narrative, I could list more that do not fall into the category of being narrative.

You cannot just make a doctrine out of any passage you see fit. The Bible outlines for us what is doctrine. Not everything presented in narrative passages is offered as doctrine. The Bible tells us what Scriptures are to be seen as doctrinal.

You cannot use the 1st Kings passage you cited earlier, because the Bible doesn't refer back to it as an example of intercession. It certainly does not refer to the woman as being a reference to Mary.

It's true not all of it is narrative but for the most part it is.

As for the passage, it is an example of intercession because the mother of the king receives a petition and then presents it to her son. The Virgin Mary is obviously not there but it's an analogy.

[Guest charlie]

<<What article???????!!! This sounds like a quote from someone? This is not research!>><<<QUOTE Are you afraid to do some research lady? You owe me an apology for calling me a liar. Keep in mind there are a whole lot less pentacostals than there are Catholics so the ratio of perverts is higher.>><<Until you can prove this absurd statement, I won't discuss anything else with you. >>

YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT WITH THAT LAST STATEMENT ARTSY. You are afraid to do ANY legitimate UNBIASED research because you know in your heart that you are WRONG! I offered one article and told you NOT to go by what I say but to check it out yourself and you refuse. YOU'RE SCARED!

<<Until you can prove this absurd statement, I won't discuss anything else with you.>>

You know what, I think no matter how much proof I provide you'll be in denial and say it's a blatant lie because the truth is not in you. If it were you could take 10 minutes or less and prove it to yourself without my help or take an hour and go to your local library. You are the one that makes all kinds of absurb statements on many threads on this forum and have NO proof to back up your statements. Many times people with some knowlege have given you the truth or the facts yet you refuse to see. YOU will have to answer for that before God. Are you prepared for that? Just lie again and say yeah.

<<btw - Is Jimmy Swaggert still preaching or did he finally get run out of the pullpit after he got caught with a prostitute that SECOND time?>><<Yes, I beleive he probably is. Sad isn't it? What's your point? That there are dumb Christians out there? So what? Is that your point? >>

What's my point? Duh, my point is that YOU should remove the plank from your own eye, or YOU should clean out your own chimney corner before you go trying to clean out someone elses. ARE YOU DENSE OR JUST STUBBORN?

[mobile21]

So far, I'm leaning to the Orthodox Catholic.

Believe me Charlie, we -regular catholics- do just fine .

[Guest charlie]

Hi Mobile, I'm still checking you guys out. All I know for sure at this point is that I feel that I've been duped by fundamentalism, which is the norm for where I come from. Catholism or Orthodoxy either one will be a step in the right direction. Otherwise, I don't even know if I'll be able to hold on to any faith at all. I've been taught, and have held fast to so many lies, just like artsylady. I'm a lot like a deer in the headlights at this point. I've been saying the rosary, the fatima version, and watching EWTN lately. BTW, I challenge anyone out there in internet land to watch EWTN and TBN and compare the two. You'll be able to see the fruits.

Anyway Mobile, pray for me because I really need it. You have no idea what it's like to come from a fundamentalist background. I brought up the subject of Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy to my old mother and she got visibly upset. She indicated to me that she'd rather I become an atheist than to become either of "those". That should give you some indication of the "pressure" I'm under at the present time. My greatest fear at this point is that my research will conclude that Our Dear Lord is only a myth, much like the mythical gods of ancient Greece. Please tell me Mobile that that is not true. I've got to stop now, I'm so upset just talking like this. To be honest, I'm setting here sobbing. Has it all just been a lie? I'm older now, I wasn't expecting this. Anyway, that's what fundamentalism has done for me.