A Roman Miracle

[Douay]

This is an ongoing sin. Catholics are not supposed to go to communion in the state of sin.

So the answer is 'yes' its true that divorced persons are not allowed to take communion? I said that divorced people are treated as second class citizens and was yelled at. Jesus just said "Go and sin no more, your sins are forgiven'. And by the way, that lady was beaten almost to death by her husband. She did stop going to church as well.

No, the answer is not yes. The worst that getting a divorce can be, is go to confession and repent, and you are forgiven, and can go to communion. BUT, if you remarry, no dice. I think that there are reasons that the Church allows divorce, like maybe unfaithfulness, abuse and things like that, but that does not mean that you can remarry. If the first marriage was valid, i.e. not annulled, then no new marriage can take place, ever. This idea is no different than when I hear people saying that those who live with a 'life partner' are living in a state of sin and don't have the saving grace of God, etc., etc. In short you are married once in the Catholic Church and that's it. If you get married twice that's when not being able to receive communion comes in, as far as being a second class citizen, I don't know what all you would be referring to as far as treatment goes.

Douay

[artsylady]

Remember also that 60% of the world's Christians are Catholics.

And that is a WORLD statistic. And the stats provided by Charlie, LESS than 900 are Protestant WERE from around the WORLD.

The stats from USA today, are 900 Catholic priests in the USA alone.

The numbers of priests around the world must be staggering.

I think the shortage of priests may be a reason that an innocent bishop would try to work with them and not 'fire' them or whatever course of action would be deemed the best.

That's a terrible excuse.

if a similar situation existed for the Protestant churches I wouldn't be surprised if a great many more victims surfaced.

Until that happens we can't assume.

[irishcowboy]

ok,

you are saying that a person that divorces, not annulled, and remarries, has not repented of their sin.... and thereforw is not authorized to receive communion.....

what about the child molesting priest???? that are moved around and never repent of their sin ( continuing to do the same thing, having an inappropriate relationship with some one other then their wife ) they are still living in sin, and still "AUTHORIZED?" to receive communion????

well, they cant very well confess their sin, (maybe they do and that is why they are moved from place to place )for that type of sin would end up being reported....... you see, there are some things that have been changed about what can be kept in confidence.....

in fact, that same priest that is living in that sin, is "blessing " the "sacrament" wow, blessed by a sinner, imagine that..... sanctified by a sinner....

sorry, but I see it as if you break one law, you break them all.......

God does forgive all sins thru the Blood of Jesus..... there is nothing that can be done, NOTHING, by us or any other man, not even the pope, or any of the bishops, or us our selves.....

and yes, those that the catholic church wishes too, are excluded, and treated as second class citizens in the church..... what is the differance of one man, and one woman that are divorced and remarried, and that of a priest having relations with a multitude of children? what is the diff????? come on now.... true, the priest did not marry them, but still had the same relations with them, not only female, but also male, and minors at that.....

you know why they have been moved around??? to keep them out of jail...... for what happens to a child molestor in the prison system?????

I will tell you....

THEY DO NOT LAST LONG..........

that is the worst crime that can be committed... even the inmates look upon that as the worst..... worse then thieving, worse then murder...... worse then assult.... worse then conventional rape...... you can look upon child molsestors as a combination of all the above, and the worse part is that it was done to a child, thru lies, manipulation, thru diviations that are not of God, but of satan.......

how is it that one that commits succh a terrible act, is still concidered a top notch person, an upstanding citizen in the RCC?????

you have not an answer for this do you????

I am not condoning divorce or any other sin, but when one is excluded from all the others, one must sit back and really think as to why..... why is one worse then another? you see, even if you think it in your head, even with out doing it, you have already committed it in your heart and that is the same as doing it.......

so how many are living in sin??? the same sin that others are removed from the RCC for having done?

have you looked at another person and just wondered how it would be with them? no???? ( yea, right, sure you have not )....... have you ever stolen??? anything???? even a piece of penny candy???? if so, you should have been on one of the crosses beside Jesus, or as they would do in the middle east, CHOP OFF YOUR RIGHT HAND, signifying you as a thief...... have you ever talked about some one???? with out that person there????? yes?? wow, you are a gossiper also, which we are told not to be a part of...... have you ever coveted your neighbors spouse???? wow, you are committing adultry...

have you ever swore? have you ever used the Lords name in anyform other then praising and worshipping or wittnessing or preaching???? isnt that the same as using the Lords name in vain??? having no useful purpose? hmmm wow, dont look so clean???

how is it that Jesus forgave the harlot? that had relations with many of the village people????? how is it that Jesus is able to forgive, but man says God can not??? or what He forgives?????

God can and does forgive ALL SINS ............. not just the ones that man wants Him to forgive.............

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all........... James 2;10.

it dont matter what station you are in, what status in the community, it dont matter if you are in the highest seat in the entire world, or the lowest of servants to God, a sin, is a sin, is a sin........

In whom we have........ the forgiveness of sins. Ephesians 1:7

mike

[nicholas]

you are saying that a person that divorces, not annulled, and remarries, has not repented of their sin.... and thereforw is not authorized to receive communion.....

Which sin are you talking about the divorce or the remarriage. If the divorce, maybe they have repented, but the remarriage no, or they would leave that marriage and live life alone.

what about the child molesting priest???? that are moved around and never repent of their sin ( continuing to do the same thing, having an inappropriate relationship with some one other then their wife ) they are still living in sin, and still "AUTHORIZED?" to receive communion????

No one in a state of mortal sin is AUTHORIZED to recieve communion. If they do so anyway they are sinning against God. Yep that is biblical.

Nicholas

[nicholas]

Mike,

Your efforts to denounce the entire Catholic religion over sinful priests and bishops is useless and proves nothing. If a priest molests a child and a bishop covered it up, those are their sins not sins of the church. So you have proven that man sins, we already know that, you figured nothing new out. If you have adulterers, murderers, theives, scandals in your family line does that make your entire family evil? NO IT DOES NOT!!!! It makes those men evil. If you want to argue with the Church argue with the teaching and dogma, not with the sins of men. If I try to completely denounce Protestantism by using some of mens sins to do so. I prove nothing other than I am too stupid to think of any thing of worth to say, so now all I am left with is cheap shots.

Nicholas

[Guest shadow2b]

-I want to stress the point that the people in God's presence are the ones who can intercede for us. Jesus Christ does not intercedes because He is God, therefore He doesn't intercedes but directly saves (Lk 23:42-43).

--uhhhhhh??? what does luke.23.vss.42-43-----have to do with JESUS interceeding for the saints???

-could you provide a scripture that states the dead saints-whose souls are under the altar of GOD

-in heaven are the ones interceeding for the saints on earth????-totally confused- :upsided:

[nicholas]

-could you provide a scripture that states the dead saints-whose souls are under the altar of GOD

-in heaven are the ones interceeding for the saints on earth????-totally confused- 

I don't have time now to find the exact verse i'm sorry for this, but read Revelation and It clearly depicts the prayers of saint coming up fom below the alter of God.

Nicholas

[artsylady]

If a priest molests a child and a bishop covered it up, those are their sins not sins of the church

I provided a link a while back where it showed a news article where the Pope was aware of a molester's actions but did nothing. The POPE!

[mobile21]

-I want to stress the point that the people in God's presence are the ones who can intercede for us. Jesus Christ does not intercedes because He is God, therefore He doesn't intercedes but directly saves (Lk 23:42-43).

--uhhhhhh??? what does luke.23.vss.42-43-----have to do with JESUS interceeding for the saints???

-could you provide a scripture that states the dead saints-whose souls are under the altar of GOD

-in heaven are the ones interceeding for the saints on earth????-totally confused- :upsided:

"Then he said, Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.

Jesus answered him, I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise." (Lk 23:42-43)

Jesus is the one who grants salvation therefore that's not intercession. Intercession is a person who prays to God for you.

[irishcowboy]

why would God be so cruel as to let those that have gone on before us know what is happening to their loved ones here on earth????

that would be totally sad..... that would break their hearts....... do you really believe that your parents or grandparents are watching your every move? boy, that would be heart wrenching to them.....

we are to be whole, complete, with out pain, with out sadness, with out anger......

what was it you did last week? that you would not want them watching you do??? or last month or, or, or , even an hour ago?????

I do not believe that God would do such a thing to any of His children that have gone home, that would be cruel, down right cruel......

mike