Defend the truth, not lies!

[Guest liarsandmartyrs]

I think the person who wrote that comentary has serious issues with teh Catholic church. I also believe that he missed teh complete and entire message of the movie. Everyone who would have seen this movie would have know the story of Jesus Christ. And knew that this movie was supposed to be circled around the last 12 hours of Jesus' life. It was a beautiful movie and I do believe, in my own oppinion, that it far surpasses every movie ever made about Jesus, and really gave the best depiction of what our Savior has done for us. Every whip and beating was what this movie was about, the pain that our LORD had taken FOR us. Every drop of blood that He shed FOR us.

Could I have done without the Catholic thought. Yes I could, but am I going to complain about a few Catholic beliefs in a movie made by a Catholic? Who by the way went further in the TRUTH of what Jesus did for us, that any other Christian movie maker? I thank God that He gave this movie to Mel Gibson, even with all the Catholic idealism.

This constant complaining about denominations has got to stop. I myself have problems with the Catholic church, but if what is being preached is Christ crucified, dead, buried, and risen, then quit complaining, because that is what matters. Let us not complain about tradition, when that is all that denominations are. Who worships in what way, and how do we do communion, and what litergy is read during service. It is all nothing but tradition. Religion=Tradition. Jesus Christ=Salvation. Keep your eye on the prize.

Edited December 23, 2006 by liarsandmartyrs

[graymousey]

Petri, that commentary is excellent, Bible based and biblically solid.

Knowing it's background, I didn't go to see that movie,--- and I thank God for it.

Truth can never be based on lies.

[ray]

IF you believe that I could sell you ocean front property in Arizona, and you were to believe me than there is no way of knowing weather I'm telling the truth unless you come check it out first. Even after you check it out and believe me when there has never been ocean front property in Arizona why should I not tell you more lies because you will believe anything and give me all your money eventually and the person that will be poor is you not me because you were so gullible. IF you can find a desperate person they may do anything you wish because you are wiser than they. That is why there is so many cults out there today.

[Kansasdad]

Kansasdad, thanks for your reply.

Biblically speaking there is no such thing as infallible tradition. Only God's Word is infallible, and inerrant. We are told to test everything by Scripture, and only by Scripture:

( Is. 8:20, Romans 16:17, Galations 1:8, Ph. 3:17;21, Thess. 5:21, 1 Tim. 1:13, 2 Tim. 3:16.)

You say: "God promises that he will lead the Apostles in both written and Oral.."

God kept that promise, and we can accept it by faith.

You say: "30,000 different denominations.."

Everybody can claim that they use only Scripture as their authority, -- but even so we all can be mistaken in certain things, --- but those who mean business with God and are sincere in their search, God will lead them to all truth. God promised that He will.

The point is that we must not search for God through human tradition, but search His Word only. Everything we need in order to arrive safely to heaven was given us in God's Word.

The Apostles had special authority to clear up any misunderstanding. They were called to lay the foundation of the church (Eph. 2:20). The foundation has been laid, and those men with their special authority, calling and sign gifts, have passed off the scene.

No NT. passage instructs churches to select or ordain Apostles, only pastors and deacons. (1 Tim. 3, Tit. 1)

Don't forget, that when a person is biblically born again, the Holy Spirit enters his heart and his life, and so this man has an inner guiding system with an indwelling Guide, -- this man lives in the presence of God in every second.

So God will lead His child to all truth, but this is a process, it doesn't happen in a second. This leading lasts for a lifetime, and when we see the life of people who claim to have the indwelling Holy Spirit, they might not as yet understand everything the way they will as they proceed on their spiritual journey.

My point is that God leads His own by His Holy Spirit through the Scriptures, becasue He is the Author of the Scriptures.

When God promised that through the Holy Spirit he would always be there, He was talking about the result of the new birth, when the repentant sinner is dressed up into Christ's own righteousness, and the divine nature is implanted into him, and he becomes God's redeemed child. From this time on, God's Word and the indwelling Holy Spirit are his Leaders.

The Apostles do not have successors. Now we have the Word of God, and those of us who are biblically born again have His indwelling Holy Spirit Who leads them to all truth.

Imagine a good and noble and God fearing king, who is a born again Christian, who has a son who doesn't walk in his father's ways. His son will be his successor on the throne. But will the son have the same attributes as his father had? Can he be blessed by God the way his father was? Can God lead him? Of course not.

Likewise, those who try to put themselves into the position of the Apostles without a new heart, and without the new divine nature, (that the Apostles had), --- how could God grant infallibility to them? In no way.

God will never adjust Himself to people and grant infallibility to them if they don't follow God and His ways, ----- but when they do, their infallibility is the result of their clinging to God's Word, and conveying only That, --- and not human traditions.

So, God kept His Word (to lead us to all truth) but His truth is given only to those who became His redeemed children through God's terms and conditions.

God's plan worked differently in every dispensation. Look back in OT. times, when God's appointed Prophets conveyed God's Word to the people. Then God Himself came and showed us the way,--- and now, in this dispensation the Holy Spirit works in those who are His, and God uses His Word to lead them. (Hebrews 1)

The Bible is complete, --- It is locked, and there can be no new revelations, nor additions to It.

The Lord Jesus sent us to be messangers only to convey the Word of God exactly as It was given to us.

Kansasdad, do you realize what a mess would the result be if God would allow fallen sinful humans to mess with His Message and to add to It and to contradict It by their human traditions?

Then by your reasoning, the Bible itself is not trustworthy. The Bible was given to us hundreds of years after the Apostles died. And guess what it was canonized by the Catholic Church. Let me ask you this, What happened during the time after the Apostles and before the Bible. This is a long period of time. History tells us that many individuals tried to interpret the scriptures on their own. There were many heresies at the time. Who did God use to straighten it out. Just like he used the Apostles at their time, he used the Church after. Exactly as the bible promises he will do. Assuming that Gods plan changed with the death of the Appostles is not logical nor does it follow scripture, nor does it bear out in history. Further your comment that there were no successors to the Apostles does not bear up with scripture or history either. If there were no successors needed then why replace Judas. Here we have direct biblical proof that when an Apostle died he had a successor.

Also by your reasoning you have just totally ignored what Paul tells us,

Paul tells the Corinthians, "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2), and he commands the Thessalonians, "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15). He even goes so far as to order, "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us" (2 Thess. 3:6).

To make sure that the apostolic tradition would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles, Paul told Timothy, "[W]hat you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2). In this passage he refers to the first four generations of apostolic succession