Have you received the Holy Spirit?

[Iryssa]

Are you talking about in Acts 4? Because those were the tongues of men, not tongues of angels, requiring no translation

Edit: Whoops...I mean Acts 2

Prayer in tongues requires no translation either. It is worship. It is prayer--vertical. It is a gift of grace to be used at any time. The gift the upper room people received was the ministry gift...sometimes it is in an earthly language, speaking to those who need to hear from God--horizontal.

The point is, that the Holy Spirit is not limited because there are a few hundred of His own in one place.

In that case we are told:

"If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God." 1 Cor. 14:28

because:

"So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?" (v. 23)

and

"For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. " (v.33)

[Floatingaxe]

Are you talking about in Acts 4? Because those were the tongues of men, not tongues of angels, requiring no translation

Edit: Whoops...I mean Acts 2

Prayer in tongues requires no translation either. It is worship. It is prayer--vertical. It is a gift of grace to be used at any time. The gift the upper room people received was the ministry gift...sometimes it is in an earthly language, speaking to those who need to hear from God--horizontal.

The point is, that the Holy Spirit is not limited because there are a few hundred of His own in one place.

In that case we are told:

"If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God." 1 Cor. 14:28

because:

"So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?" (v. 23)

and

"For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. " (v.33)

Prayer does not need to be translated. We pray in tongues, in the Spirit...not prophesy with messages from God.

[Arthur Durnan]

The Floating-Axe sinks slightly....it is ALWAYS earthly, known, understood, national dialects in Holy Writ, never "divine mumbo-jumbo" such as unintelligible "Ki ladia sphona, sa nania shuh ka lana moba deseen vi ladia so boda shan za she lana kadia nonmalia." Not once! Jehovah God CLEAR UNDERSTANDS your prayers in distinct English language, your En Francais, your Espanol, your Arabic (Allahu akbar!), your Hebrew (from Aleph to Tau), your Greek (from Alpha to Omega) and the Holy Spirit has promised to assist us when we pray. So why your gobbledygook?!

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[Floatingaxe]

The Floating-Axe sinks slightly....it is ALWAYS earthly, known, understood, national dialects in Holy Writ, never "divine mumbo-jumbo" such as unintelligible "Ki ladia sphona, sa nania shuh ka lana moba deseen vi ladia so boda shan za she lana kadia nonmalia." Not once! Jehovah God CLEAR UNDERSTANDS your prayers in distinct English language, your En Francais, your Espanol, your Arabic (Allahu akbar!), your Hebrew (from Aleph to Tau), your Greek (from Alpha to Omega) and the Holy Spirit has promised to assist us when we pray. So why your gobbledygook?!

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No, Arthur. Only YOU call it mumbo-jumbo , may God forgive you. For you to type what you think is a heavenly language is so disrespectful and absurd, that I cannot hear you in this. You know not of what you speak, sadly.

I pray that God gets a good hold of you--by the lapels--and shows you His truth in the matter.

Blessings in Jesus...

[Floatingaxe]

Prayer Language

1-3Go after a life of love as if your life depended on it

[Arthur Durnan]

Thanx. I read your verbosity unilimited but still do not find anything EVEN APPROACHING your "divine mumbo-jumbo" such as "Vi ladia sphona sa nania shuh ka lana moba deseen za she lava kadia" on into the UNINTELLIGIBLE & purely made-up night of charismatic experience. Where in all Acts, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, et al, may one locate your babble? Did Moses employ it? Did Stephen? Did our Lord Jesus? Did the various nations gathered at Pentecost? Did Dwight Luman Moody? Did Charles Haddon Spurgeon? Does Billy Graham? Does Charles Stanley? John MacArthur? And only SINCE 1901 in Azusa Pentecostal Assembly....LOUD SILENCE thru all the centuries! And you appear not addled at all. Hmm. Gotta go now. I'm meeting a lady friend & her companion at StarBucks. I will pay. Koinonia is sweet.

Have A Blessed & Christ-Honoring New Year on January 1 and all year long!

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[Floatingaxe]

Thanx. I read your verbosity unilimited but still do not find anything EVEN APPROACHING your "divine mumbo-jumbo" such as "Vi ladia sphona sa nania shuh ka lana moba deseen za she lava kadia" on into the UNINTELLIGIBLE & purely made-up night of charismatic experience. Where in all Acts, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, et al, may one locate your babble? Did Moses employ it? Did Stephen? Did our Lord Jesus? Did the various nations gathered at Pentecost? Did Dwight Luman Moody? Did Charles Haddon Spurgeon? Does Billy Graham? Does Charles Stanley? John MacArthur? And only SINCE 1901 in Azusa Pentecostal Assembly....LOUD SILENCE thru all the centuries! And you appear not addled at all. Hmm. Gotta go now. I'm meeting a lady friend & her companion at StarBucks. I will pay. Koinonia is sweet.

Have A Blessed & Christ-Honoring New Year on January 1 and all year long!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

You insult Jesus, Arthur. I will pray for you.

[apothanein kerdos]

Have never spoken in tongues because it is a gift, nothing more and nothing less. It's also the least useful of all the gifts...according to Paul. I do have the Holy Spirit though.

[Arthur Durnan]

One "insults" Jesus because one doesn't agree with you?! Quite to the contrary, F.A., I do indeed PRAISE & WORSHIP the Lord Jesus Christ, the Righteous One and only Savior! He is the veritable Theme of my song and the Joy of all living. Have a wonderful & Christ-blessed New Year's!

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[eric]

Good morning asap, just out of bed again, well about an hour ago, live in a different time zoneto you, but in a better frame of mind. When you are reaching your mid 80s I suppose you're entitled to have a bad hair day, but to your reply.

Good Morning eric,

Sorry about your mood.

I had to go back and read to refresh my memory but I believe I was the only one in this thread that used the word annointed when refering to a pastor that I had the blessing to learn from for a short time. He never claimed to be annointed, he is actually a very humble servant, continuously giving his time in the community(ie. cutting firewood, praying for the sick, helping the widows in the area with home repairs),trusts the Lord for his provision, preachs at the Res., a mens recovery center and at a non-denominational church. I claimed that he was annointed.

Please add your 2 cents, I may not be young in years, lost in the world for 41 years before Christ, but I am young in Christ. I amuse that you are not. I came to this site for others views on the christian walk. What distresses me is the way people hit and run here. It reminds me of the saying that christians eat their own young.

Blanket generalized statements about others being wrong without actually addressing what you percieve as how they are wrong just baffles me.

That is the reason I am grateful that the Lord released me from the 1st church I was a member of for 3 years, the fact that it was an attack when you were considered wrong, but no actual basis for the correction. "Just the facts m'am"

Proverbs 27:17 (KJV)

17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Do you think it would be acceptable to use this proverb as on example?

With Sisterly Love,

Amanda

No I was not referring to you, as in you particularly, but anyone who claims to be annointed, especially the likes of some TBN preachers, which of course has nought to do with this thread.

So briefly, although I am not a staunch calvanist, I believe your name goes in the book of life at your conception as do any gifts that you granted by grace, after your salvation.

IMO you can't learn gifts. A gift is a gift. you don't ask for gifts, you merely receive them by grace through faith. I made my committment to the Lord twenty years ago and on several occasions tried speaking in tongues and it sounded riculous to me so I told the Lord if I didn't know what I was talking about, how was He to know and if He didn't mind I would stick to the tongue I was born with.

Luke said Christ came to, quote..... bring good news to the poor, to proclaim release to the captives and to recover the sight to the blind and to give release to the oppressed and to declare the acceptable year fo the Lord.........or words to that affect. He never said anything about curing arthiritis or cancer, although through, Him are all things possible. so if God chooses me as a vessel at some time to pray for some healing or another for someone and he is healed, that does't mean to me, anyway, that I have the gift of healing.

Like you said, "just the facts, m'am."