Worthy News: CA: Gov. to seek insurance for all children - LA Times

[forrestkc]

I promise you, forrest, that if you wtart watching the video, it will be very interesting. It's just like reading, and does provide facts. I'm sorry. You are missing out.

I am watching it now. The thing is, I don't disagree with you on curbing illegal imigration. I am all for that. I just think it's wrong to exclude any children from health coverage.

The total cost of the plan will be 400 million dollars a year, the budget of the state of California Fiscal 06 is about 82 Billion dollars. The plan is a drop in the bucket compared to the state's budget. So if you ask me, if you have the children of illegal imigrants here, even though they should not be here, we ought to provide them with medical care. What is wrong with that statement?

[kat8585]

I promise you, forrest, that if you wtart watching the video, it will be very interesting. It's just like reading, and does provide facts. I'm sorry. You are missing out.

I am watching it now. The thing is, I don't disagree with you on curbing illegal imigration. I am all for that. I just think it's wrong to exclude any children from health coverage.

The total cost of the plan will be 400 million dollars a year, the budget of the state of California Fiscal 06 is about 82 Billion dollars. The plan is a drop in the bucket compared to the state's budget. So if you ask me, if you have the children of illegal imigrants here, even though they should not be here, we ought to provide them with medical care. What is wrong with that statement?

I don't care if it's five cents. It's wrong. It's encouraging more of the same. Maybe in an emergency, provide it til the family is deported, but if we don't take a hard line on this, we will be overrun, and lose our country. Should we continue to take in everyone from all over the world and provide everything for them? How fast would we go completely bankrupt?

You didn't answer if you think illegals should get Social Security.

[Adarian]

If immigration is creating a crisis, then curb immigration, but once people arrive, the command of God is to "love thy neighbor as thyself".

[kat8585]

If immigration is creating a crisis, then curb immigration, but once people arrive, the command of God is to "love thy neighbor as thyself".

But that doesn't condone letting them willfully break our laws and bankrupt us.

[forrestkc]

If immigration is creating a crisis, then curb immigration, but once people arrive, the command of God is to "love thy neighbor as thyself".

Exactly.

[forrestkc]

I promise you, forrest, that if you wtart watching the video, it will be very interesting. It's just like reading, and does provide facts. I'm sorry. You are missing out.

I am watching it now. The thing is, I don't disagree with you on curbing illegal immigration. I am all for that. I just think it's wrong to exclude any children from health coverage.

The total cost of the plan will be 400 million dollars a year, the budget of the state of California Fiscal 06 is about 82 Billion dollars. The plan is a drop in the bucket compared to the state's budget. So if you ask me, if you have the children of illegal immigrants here, even though they should not be here, we ought to provide them with medical care. What is wrong with that statement?

I don't care if it's five cents. It's wrong. It's encouraging more of the same. Maybe in an emergency, provide it til the family is deported, but if we don't take a hard line on this, we will be overrun, and lose our country. Should we continue to take in everyone from all over the world and provide everything for them? How fast would we go completely bankrupt?

You didn't answer if you think illegals should get Social Security.

If illegals do not pay in the Social Security system, then they should not get it.

Healthcare for the children, THE CHILDREN... Do you not have kids???, is a different issue entirely. We should be doing a far better job of policing our borders and cracking on those who knowingly hire illegals. However, it is a sin and morally wrong any way you look at it, to deny medical coverage to the innocent children of illegal aliens simply because those children have parents who are illegals. It is wrong, just wrong.

Would anyone of us want to tell the Good Lord that we were against providing healthcare to the children of illegals just because we thought it might reward bad behavior on the part of their parents?

The fact is, if this was another war we was talking about, a lot of the people worried about bankrupting ourselves would not be worried about then. California thinks they can afford, its a drop in the bucket compared to their budget, there is no reason not to.

[kat8585]

Yes, I have kids. That doesn't mean I expect people to condone, let alone pay for my illegal behavior. I have a feeling most Californians don't want to do it. They are being taxed into oblivion already.

What about having to build more schools, sanitation systems, etc., etc.? Is this ok too? And what about them jumping in front of the line? Do you think they should be deported, or allowed to stay, and keep costing us?

How about some of you Californians? Do you want to pay more taxes to encourage illegal behavior?

[Marnie]

I have resisted stepping in here because (1) nobody can every change forrestkc's mind on anything. Period. And (2) we beat a similar issue to death last year. There is a group of Christians who think the government, via taxation, is G-d's tool for doing what the Church was called to do.

You will not find unfunded mandates in the Constitution anywhere. Social Security, government schools and government healthcare are abominations. There is not one thing, beyond the military and some law enforcement (and even that is questionable; having worked in law enforcement for the Feds) that the government does better than the private sector. They are wasteful and inefficient. I think it is sinful and shameful when a Christian advocates government handouts of any kind since helping people is the job of the Church, not the government. However, given that liberalism (another Satanic abomination) seeks to use coercion to "spread the wealth," it is not surprising to find liberal Christians advocating more taxation. It is well known that liberals are very generous. With other people's money, not their own.

Talk about bass ackwards. Only in America can you get a tax refund even though you never paid a dime in taxes! Only in America can you collect a check for not working, from a program you never paid into. Only in America are ILLEGALS rewarded for breaking the law of the land. Children not withstanding, illegals should get nothing but walking papers from this country if they are found out. If you feel compelled to help them, then you help them as an individual or a church or whatever, but keep your grubby paws off my checkbook! Amen.

[kat8585]

AMEN, Marnie, to everything you said.

Edited January 7, 2007 by kat8585

[forrestkc]

If you guys are so worried about illegals, then why don't you look to your RNC Cheap Labor Conservative friends who won't do anything of substance about it because K-Street wants the cheap labor. I am all for curbing illegal immigration. I am all for doing a much better job of policing our borders. I am all for cracking down on employers who knowingly hire them. Believe me, I know that illegal immigration is a huge problem in this country. My wife is a paralegal for a corporate law firm and she sees workers comp cases where its obvious from the fact that the one filing the claim is an illegal, but even if they contact IIS and tell them when and where they can pick them up, they don't. Its a broken system, I fully understand that.

However, it morally wrong, is bibically wrong, and it flys squarely in the face of the life and teachings of Christ to deny healthcare to children of illegals simply because their parents are illegals. Its unfortunate that some people have indoctrinated themselves so much from reading every hatemongering book or listening to every xenophobic hatemongering blowhard on the radio that they don't see that, but the fact remains it is wrong to say we are going provide healthcare for children in a state and exclude the children of illegals. If you don't want to provide health coverage to the children of illegals, then do a better job of keeping them from coming here in the first place. If we were talking about adults, it would be a different thing entirely. If you don't like it then don't move to California, it is their state and their choice. It is rather remarkable though that people who are basically a walking recording of Ann Coulter would claim that others are closed minded though.

Finally, the Church had 2000 years to get its act together and actually do its job in taking care of the poor and less fortunate. It never did it. Prior to the 20th Century, there were people who starved to death in America. My wife and I had to search high and low to find a church that actually put the majority of its budget into community and anti-poverty programs. Its a nice idea you guys have about the church, but it never has worked in the real world. We do not live in a dictatorship. The people of California decided to do this. Just like the people of the United States decided to create a safetynet for the poor and less fortunate. If you don't like it, then I don't know what to tell you. This is America, this is what we are.