Re-baptism

[Floatingaxe]

Floatingaxe, my current church pastor mentioned what you did. But my thought is, just because the baptisms that the Bible talks about were by immersion, that does not mean all baptisms exclusively were.

(John 21:25

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.)

If it was something that we would have a choice about, God would certainly make it plain to us. No, immersion, to be completely covered, as buried is the way of the Word of God. That is what baptism signifies: to be buried and risen again with Christ. There's just no way out it. I suggest you listen to your pastor.

The verse you quoted refers to the many miraculous and compassionate acts of Jesus.

[Ovedya]

Okay, since no one is attempting to answer my question, the answer is three.

The children of Israel were first baptized in the Red Sea, signifying water baptism. They were baptized a second time in the cloud, signifying being baptized in the Spirit. They were finally baptized a third time when they crossed the river Jordan and entered into the good land, which signifies God's complete salvation.

[PBob]

Okay, since no one is attempting to answer my question, the answer is three.

The children of Israel were first baptized in the Red Sea, signifying water baptism. They were baptized a second time in the cloud, signifying being baptized in the Spirit. They were finally baptized a third time when they crossed the river Jordan and entered into the good land, which signifies God's complete salvation.

We are baptized in obedience to Christ - not into a "church" or denomination. I'll be willing to stick my neck out and say -The Lord would recognize it if my wife and friends (followers of Christ) took me to the local horse watering troth and baptized me. Sometimes me thinks in terms of panbaptism, pantrib, panOSAS, etc. --- God sits in the Heavens and does whatever HE pleases (Ps 115:3). His rules are not made by committee. It will all pan out in the end if we follow Him and acknowledge Him as our Lord and savior and repent of our sins. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ..."

Why divide the Body of Christ over how, when, where, who ----- just FOLLOW CHRIST. Are we under the law or under grace?

My definition of religion (don't be offended please) is a whole lot of man made rules and regulations to control the masses. BE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST AND AGREE WITH JESUS WHEN HE PRAYED, "Father that they might be one even as you and I are one that the world might know...." John 17:23

[DonnaPs25]

Okay, since no one is attempting to answer my question, the answer is three.

The children of Israel were first baptized in the Red Sea, signifying water baptism. They were baptized a second time in the cloud, signifying being baptized in the Spirit. They were finally baptized a third time when they crossed the river Jordan and entered into the good land, which signifies God's complete salvation.

I had not heard this before, in regards of OT 'baptizing'. And I was thinking it over all day. But now have a question spinning me around.

-Baptism definition is "to immerse".-

Why then would the children of Israel crossing the Red Sea be considered baptism? The water parted, and they were not immersed. Now I talked to a friend earlier who said: According to Webster, to immerse means to plunge into something that surrounds or covers.

Well if surrounding someone with water is baptism, then pouring would be accurate.

My brain just trying to grasp this idea still, Ovedya.

[quieth3art]

I stopped attending my church when I realized that the rules for gaining membership included that you must either be saved AT THIS CHURCH or be Baptized, even if you've already been baptized.

I give up. I'll make my own little church here at home with my children. I am tired of the "rules."

[Ovedya]

Okay, since no one is attempting to answer my question, the answer is three.

The children of Israel were first baptized in the Red Sea, signifying water baptism. They were baptized a second time in the cloud, signifying being baptized in the Spirit. They were finally baptized a third time when they crossed the river Jordan and entered into the good land, which signifies God's complete salvation.

I had not heard this before, in regards of OT 'baptizing'. And I was thinking it over all day. But now have a question spinning me around.

-Baptism definition is "to immerse".-

Why then would the children of Israel crossing the Red Sea be considered baptism? The water parted, and they were not immersed. Now I talked to a friend earlier who said: According to Webster, to immerse means to plunge into something that surrounds or covers.

Well if surrounding someone with water is baptism, then pouring would be accurate.

My brain just trying to grasp this idea still, Ovedya.

I'll try to get to this answer later tonight. It's going to be a long one, most likely, but I want to be sure I have enough time. I'm just leaving work now.

[sweethour]

I stopped attending my church when I realized that the rules for gaining membership included that you must either be saved AT THIS CHURCH or be Baptized, even if you've already been baptized.

I give up. I'll make my own little church here at home with my children. I am tired of the "rules."

Quieth3art, isn't there another church that you could attend?

[Guest grace5]

I stopped attending my church when I realized that the rules for gaining membership included that you must either be saved AT THIS CHURCH or be Baptized, even if you've already been baptized.

I give up. I'll make my own little church here at home with my children. I am tired of the "rules."

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~L

Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God...

I would not give up but rather find another church,ask God to guide you,then start searching for a church.

I hope its ok if I point out your signature

it speaks of those who give lip service only ,attending church is as much a commandment

as the rest .When folks miss church they miss what the Lord has for them.

By all means finds a place to call home and when you become convince that God has placed (called) you there, be there everytime the doors are open!

If God ask you to meet him over at "someplace" that He has something to say to you... well I think you get the picture.

[Ovedya]

Okay, since no one is attempting to answer my question, the answer is three.

The children of Israel were first baptized in the Red Sea, signifying water baptism. They were baptized a second time in the cloud, signifying being baptized in the Spirit. They were finally baptized a third time when they crossed the river Jordan and entered into the good land, which signifies God's complete salvation.

I had not heard this before, in regards of OT 'baptizing'. And I was thinking it over all day. But now have a question spinning me around.

-Baptism definition is "to immerse".-

Why then would the children of Israel crossing the Red Sea be considered baptism? The water parted, and they were not immersed. Now I talked to a friend earlier who said: According to Webster, to immerse means to plunge into something that surrounds or covers.

Well if surrounding someone with water is baptism, then pouring would be accurate.

My brain just trying to grasp this idea still, Ovedya.

I'll try to get to this answer later tonight. It's going to be a long one, most likely, but I want to be sure I have enough time. I'm just leaving work now.

I apologize for not having gotten back to this sooner. I've had the flu for the past two days.

The story of the children of Israel's Exodus from Egypt was, in typology a pattern of the Christian life - from birth to our entrance into the kingdom of God.

To establish the fact that the Old Testament can be seen in types and pictures of the New Testament (Or, to put it another way, as images or shadows of the reality that we see in the New Testament of the church and of Christ), we can look at a few verses:

"And He said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, You shall see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man." (John 1:51; cf. Gen 28:11-22)

"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, That every one who believes into Him may have eternal life." (John 3:14-15; cf Num. 21:4-9)

In John 1:51 Jesus eluded to the vision that Jacob received regarding the ladder which joined the earth to heaven (Gen. 28:12). So Jesus revealed Himself as the reality of that vision, a vision in which God repeated His promise to Abraham regarding his seed. Jesus is the reality of that vision: He is the "ladder" which joins the earth to the heavens, and brings the heavens to the earth.

In John 3:14-15 the Lord Jesus revealed Himself as the bronze serpent which Moses was commanded to fashion and attach to a rod, so that the poison which afflicted the children of Israel in Numbers 21:6 would be purged from them the moment they looked upon it. We, who are sinful men, have the "poison" of sin within us. So God sent His only Son, in the "fashion of a man" (Yet without sin, as indicated by the bronze), so that all who would "look upon Him" could be saved from the "poison of sin." So it is no coincidence at all that the verse immediately before that which has become the most favored in Christendom, reveals Jesus as the reality of the picture seen in Numbers 21.

There are many other pictures and types in the Old Testament: from the stories of Noah to Abraham, and from Abraham to Moses; and from the tabernacle to the temple. In fact, I believe that in Luke 24:32, when the men who met the Lord Jesus in resurrection exclaimed "Was not our heart burning within us while He was speaking to us on the road, while He was opening to us the Scriptures?" they were talking specifically of all those types and pictures of Christ (Luke 24:27).

So as to the issue of baptism, when we look at the Exodus of the children of Israel, the fact that they left Egypt and passed through the Red Sea, we can say that this is a type of baptism. For, like the children of Israel, when a believer is baptized, he is, A) Leaving the world behind, never to go back again and, B) Putting to death the world and sanctifying himself to Christ.

Sanctification itself has two aspects: Separation, which is outward, and being made holy, which is inward. In other words, positional and dispositional. Positionaly the children of Israel were sanctified by having left Egypt and crossing the Red Sea. But dispositionaly they needed to be made holy, for although they had left Egypt, Egypt had not left them. Therefore, they needed to be dispositionaly sanctified by feeding from the heavenly manna for about 42 years.

The same is true also of us. When we were saved and baptized we made the declaration of having left - separated - from the world. Now we need to be sanctified further by feeding off the true bread, which is Jesus Christ (John 6:49-51).

[freedfromsin]

Is it necessary to be rebaptized if one "backslid"/turned away from God?

This may sound shocking but yes. The first time was no good since the person was not saved according to scripture.

1John 2:19