Unsaved

[Fiosh]

Not to go off on a tangent but.....

Why do some find it so important to judge if an individual is saved???

Jesus didn't instruct the Apostles to go out and "judge who is saved and who is not". He told them to spread the Gospel to every nation.

Consider this ....

Matthew 13:24-30

He proposed another parable to them. "The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a man who sowed good seed in his field.

While everyone was asleep his enemy came and sowed weeds all through the wheat, and then went off.

When the crop grew and bore fruit, the weeds appeared as well.

The slaves of the householder came to him and said, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?'

He answered, 'An enemy has done this.' His slaves said to him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

He replied, 'No, if you pull up the weeds you might uproot the wheat along with them.

Let them grow together until harvest; then at harvest time I will say to the harvesters, "First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles for burning; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"

It's not our job to separate the saved from the unsaved. God will deal with that in His time.

Peace,

Fiosh

[Zceiv]

Not to go off on a tangent but.....

Why do some find it so important to judge if an individual is saved???

Jesus didn't instruct the Apostles to go out and "judge who is saved and who is not". He told them to spread the Gospel to every nation.

Consider this ....

Matthew 13:24-30

He proposed another parable to them. "The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a man who sowed good seed in his field.

While everyone was asleep his enemy came and sowed weeds all through the wheat, and then went off.

When the crop grew and bore fruit, the weeds appeared as well.

The slaves of the householder came to him and said, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?'

He answered, 'An enemy has done this.' His slaves said to him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

He replied, 'No, if you pull up the weeds you might uproot the wheat along with them.

Let them grow together until harvest; then at harvest time I will say to the harvesters, "First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles for burning; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"

It's not our job to separate the saved from the unsaved. God will deal with that in His time.

Peace,

Fiosh

geez maybe so we can help the individual?

[Giaour]

Look, we can judge WHAT is a sin and WHAT is not.

But we cant judge someones salvation because we dont know their heart.

We dont know if they have repented.

Those who are saved can sin, so to judge them of their salvation is wrong.

yes and you can tell if they are christian because they will bear fruit

Z,

Am I saved?

What are my fruits?

I would have to look at your posts and lifestyle to tell you that.

So without ever having met me, you feel qualified to judge my salvation?

Just by looking at my posts (I could be lieing), and knowing my public lifestyle (I'm very different privately) is enough to discern my salvation?

Only in person usually, Giaour, but I am sure that online we can tell by language, can't we?

Oh , so public figures, we really cant judge because we dont know them in person?

I dont think we can, Flo.

Some people dont articulate exactly what they believe very well.

It would be a rush to judgement, wouldnt it?

[Giaour]

Not to go off on a tangent but.....

Why do some find it so important to judge if an individual is saved???

Jesus didn't instruct the Apostles to go out and "judge who is saved and who is not". He told them to spread the Gospel to every nation.

Consider this ....

Matthew 13:24-30

He proposed another parable to them. "The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a man who sowed good seed in his field.

While everyone was asleep his enemy came and sowed weeds all through the wheat, and then went off.

When the crop grew and bore fruit, the weeds appeared as well.

The slaves of the householder came to him and said, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?'

He answered, 'An enemy has done this.' His slaves said to him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

He replied, 'No, if you pull up the weeds you might uproot the wheat along with them.

Let them grow together until harvest; then at harvest time I will say to the harvesters, "First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles for burning; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"

It's not our job to separate the saved from the unsaved. God will deal with that in His time.

Peace,

Fiosh

geez maybe so we can help the individual?

Maybe we should help EVERYONE then because we dont really know the weeds from the wheat.

[Zceiv]

Not to go off on a tangent but.....

Why do some find it so important to judge if an individual is saved???

Jesus didn't instruct the Apostles to go out and "judge who is saved and who is not". He told them to spread the Gospel to every nation.

Consider this ....

Matthew 13:24-30

He proposed another parable to them. "The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a man who sowed good seed in his field.

While everyone was asleep his enemy came and sowed weeds all through the wheat, and then went off.

When the crop grew and bore fruit, the weeds appeared as well.

The slaves of the householder came to him and said, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?'

He answered, 'An enemy has done this.' His slaves said to him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

He replied, 'No, if you pull up the weeds you might uproot the wheat along with them.

Let them grow together until harvest; then at harvest time I will say to the harvesters, "First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles for burning; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"

It's not our job to separate the saved from the unsaved. God will deal with that in His time.

Peace,

Fiosh

geez maybe so we can help the individual?

Maybe we should help EVERYONE then because we dont really know the weeds from the wheat.

ok Ill go up to a preacher and start telling him that jesus died for him and he sould ask for forgiveness. after all i souldnt judge wether someone is save.

[Giaour]

Not to go off on a tangent but.....

Why do some find it so important to judge if an individual is saved???

Jesus didn't instruct the Apostles to go out and "judge who is saved and who is not". He told them to spread the Gospel to every nation.

Consider this ....

Matthew 13:24-30

He proposed another parable to them. "The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a man who sowed good seed in his field.

While everyone was asleep his enemy came and sowed weeds all through the wheat, and then went off.

When the crop grew and bore fruit, the weeds appeared as well.

The slaves of the householder came to him and said, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?'

He answered, 'An enemy has done this.' His slaves said to him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

He replied, 'No, if you pull up the weeds you might uproot the wheat along with them.

Let them grow together until harvest; then at harvest time I will say to the harvesters, "First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles for burning; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"

It's not our job to separate the saved from the unsaved. God will deal with that in His time.

Peace,

Fiosh

geez maybe so we can help the individual?

Maybe we should help EVERYONE then because we dont really know the weeds from the wheat.

ok Ill go up to a preacher and start telling him that jesus died for him and he sould ask for forgiveness. after all i souldnt judge wether someone is save.

Maybe you should, I seen some preachers that made me wonder.

[Floatingaxe]

Look, we can judge WHAT is a sin and WHAT is not.

But we cant judge someones salvation because we dont know their heart.

We dont know if they have repented.

Those who are saved can sin, so to judge them of their salvation is wrong.

yes and you can tell if they are christian because they will bear fruit

Z,

Am I saved?

What are my fruits?

I would have to look at your posts and lifestyle to tell you that.

So without ever having met me, you feel qualified to judge my salvation?

Just by looking at my posts (I could be lieing), and knowing my public lifestyle (I'm very different privately) is enough to discern my salvation?

Only in person usually, Giaour, but I am sure that online we can tell by language, can't we?

Oh , so public figures, we really cant judge because we dont know them in person?

I dont think we can, Flo.

Some people dont articulate exactly what they believe very well.

It would be a rush to judgement, wouldnt it?

Hopefully the gifts of discernment in us can see. Of course we can see a lie from a mile away. God tells us when someone is disingenuous.

[Zceiv]

Not to go off on a tangent but.....

Why do some find it so important to judge if an individual is saved???

Jesus didn't instruct the Apostles to go out and "judge who is saved and who is not". He told them to spread the Gospel to every nation.

Consider this ....

Matthew 13:24-30

He proposed another parable to them. "The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a man who sowed good seed in his field.

While everyone was asleep his enemy came and sowed weeds all through the wheat, and then went off.

When the crop grew and bore fruit, the weeds appeared as well.

The slaves of the householder came to him and said, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?'

He answered, 'An enemy has done this.' His slaves said to him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

He replied, 'No, if you pull up the weeds you might uproot the wheat along with them.

Let them grow together until harvest; then at harvest time I will say to the harvesters, "First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles for burning; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"

It's not our job to separate the saved from the unsaved. God will deal with that in His time.

Peace,

Fiosh

geez maybe so we can help the individual?

Maybe we should help EVERYONE then because we dont really know the weeds from the wheat.

ok Ill go up to a preacher and start telling him that jesus died for him and he sould ask for forgiveness. after all i souldnt judge wether someone is save.

Maybe you should, I seen some preachers that made me wonder.

and they souldve never been preachers

point being You can know how to help someone without basic knowledge of them

[Giaour]

We can know how to help them but not whether or not they are saved.

[Iryssa]

ok Ill go up to a preacher and start telling him that jesus died for him and he sould ask for forgiveness. after all i souldnt judge wether someone is save.

No, I don't think it's necessary to go up to everyone and say that. Your preacher's heard it already, and seems to be practicing it. The truth will come out eventually if it's all just a charade. Sometimes it'll blindside you, and you'll wonder "how can he have done that, I thought he was a Christian this whole time!" That's life...it's not fun, it's not good, but it's life. With others it'll be more obvious. Just keep an eye out, read the Word, show the love of God those around you. Don't just accept something because your preacher said it: study the scriptures when you get home from church (and all the time) and use it to test the words of your preacher and Christian counsellors around you. Be in prayer, and trust God. That's the best any of us can do.

Edit: whoops, forgot to paste the quote in there...fixed now.