Unsaved

[Zceiv]

We can know how to help them but not whether or not they are saved.

explain?

[Fiosh]

Not to go off on a tangent but.....

Why do some find it so important to judge if an individual is saved???

Jesus didn't instruct the Apostles to go out and "judge who is saved and who is not". He told them to spread the Gospel to every nation.

Consider this ....

Matthew 13:24-30

He proposed another parable to them. "The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a man who sowed good seed in his field.

While everyone was asleep his enemy came and sowed weeds all through the wheat, and then went off.

When the crop grew and bore fruit, the weeds appeared as well.

The slaves of the householder came to him and said, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?'

He answered, 'An enemy has done this.' His slaves said to him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

He replied, 'No, if you pull up the weeds you might uproot the wheat along with them.

Let them grow together until harvest; then at harvest time I will say to the harvesters, "First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles for burning; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"

It's not our job to separate the saved from the unsaved. God will deal with that in His time.

Peace,

Fiosh

geez maybe so we can help the individual?

Maybe we should help EVERYONE then because we dont really know the weeds from the wheat.

ok Ill go up to a preacher and start telling him that jesus died for him and he sould ask for forgiveness. after all i souldnt judge wether someone is save.

Sadly, there are probably more preachers than you think who are in need of support. After all, Satan attacks those who are on the battlefield.

So, yes, Zeiv, pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit; and if you feel led, give your testimony to a preacher.

[Giaour]

Explaining it would be redundant.

We went all through that with the druggie prostitute 10 pages ago.

[Zceiv]

Explaining it would be redundant.

We went all through that with the druggie prostitute 10 pages ago.

yes but in that case show me the fruits (i dont see any) so first I would tell her about jesus then help her with drug rehab

Edited January 15, 2007 by Zeiv

[Fiosh]

Look, we can judge WHAT is a sin and WHAT is not.

But we cant judge someones salvation because we dont know their heart.

We dont know if they have repented.

Those who are saved can sin, so to judge them of their salvation is wrong.

yes and you can tell if they are christian because they will bear fruit

Z,

Am I saved?

What are my fruits?

I would have to look at your posts and lifestyle to tell you that.

So without ever having met me, you feel qualified to judge my salvation?

Just by looking at my posts (I could be lieing), and knowing my public lifestyle (I'm very different privately) is enough to discern my salvation?

Only in person usually, Giaour, but I am sure that online we can tell by language, can't we?

Oh , so public figures, we really cant judge because we dont know them in person?

I dont think we can, Flo.

Some people dont articulate exactly what they believe very well.

It would be a rush to judgement, wouldnt it?

Hopefully the gifts of discernment in us can see. Of course we can see a lie from a mile away. God tells us when someone is disingenuous.

Some are better at discernment than others. Consider, for example, how many are taken in by scam artists.

[Giaour]

Explaining it would be redundant.

We went all through that with the druggie prostitute 10 pages ago.

yes but in that case show me the fruits (i dont see any) so first I would tell her about jesus then help her with drug rehab

Maybe she volunteers at the homeless shelter.

Maybe she write support letters to the soldiers.

Maybe she talks to a street bum that everyone else ignores.

You just dont know for sure, now do you?

Things that you personally cant see.

[Fiosh]

Explaining it would be redundant.

We went all through that with the druggie prostitute 10 pages ago.

yes but in that case show me the fruits (i dont see any) so first I would tell her about jesus then help her with drug rehab

Exactly! And yet you could still minister to her---without knowing whether or not she is saved.

[Giaour]

Explaining it would be redundant.

We went all through that with the druggie prostitute 10 pages ago.

yes but in that case show me the fruits (i dont see any) so first I would tell her about jesus then help her with drug rehab

Exactly! And yet you could still minister to her---without knowing whether or not she is saved.

Perfect Fiosh!

You can minister without making a judgement.

[Zceiv]

Explaining it would be redundant.

We went all through that with the druggie prostitute 10 pages ago.

yes but in that case show me the fruits (i dont see any) so first I would tell her about jesus then help her with drug rehab

Exactly! And yet you could still minister to her---without knowing whether or not she is saved.

Perfect Fiosh!

You can minister without making a judgement.

ok so it completely wrong to judge?

[Giaour]

Wrong to judge salvation but not wrong to judge sin among believers to help them over come it.