Is Jesus the only way 2

[maguschris]

maguschris:

You need to study a bit to discover that all this needs to be taken in context. The laws set down for the children of Israel were for them only. God was building a nation. the truth behind each law reveals what God feels about an issue. The one you mention reveals that God hates fornication, and disobedience, and shows how the sin of a person can influence the next generation--so it teaches wisdom. Much wisdom comes from those laws. If you are truly seeking, I suggest that you attend a good, bible believing church. The Word of God is not contradictory in any way. As soon as you understand and believe that, your faith will start to grow.

If you are serious about getting answers, then seek them in the right places--a great, active, bible-believing church is a great place. Of course, reading the Word of God is another! Ask God to reveal Himself to you when you read it. He will.

That is why I go to forums is to ask questions. but like I said then those aren't real rules and shouldn't have been included if thats not what God meant

Like I said--get to a good church and read in context. My opinion, is that you need a believing mentor. I pray that you will ask the pastor or youth leader of a church to help you find one. If you could be discipled while your faith is young and small, you will develop a firm foundation for it to grow...you need that badly, I see.

What is your definition of a good church? denominationally, etc. I went to a baptist and presbetyrian chruch when I was younger

[Floatingaxe]

maguschris:

You need to study a bit to discover that all this needs to be taken in context. The laws set down for the children of Israel were for them only. God was building a nation. the truth behind each law reveals what God feels about an issue. The one you mention reveals that God hates fornication, and disobedience, and shows how the sin of a person can influence the next generation--so it teaches wisdom. Much wisdom comes from those laws. If you are truly seeking, I suggest that you attend a good, bible believing church. The Word of God is not contradictory in any way. As soon as you understand and believe that, your faith will start to grow.

If you are serious about getting answers, then seek them in the right places--a great, active, bible-believing church is a great place. Of course, reading the Word of God is another! Ask God to reveal Himself to you when you read it. He will.

That is why I go to forums is to ask questions. but like I said then those aren't real rules and shouldn't have been included if thats not what God meant

Like I said--get to a good church and read in context. My opinion, is that you need a believing mentor. I pray that you will ask the pastor or youth leader of a church to help you find one. If you could be discipled while your faith is young and small, you will develop a firm foundation for it to grow...you need that badly, I see.

What is your definition of a good church? denominationally, etc. I went to a baptist and presbetyrian chruch when I was younger

To me, a good church is one that believes the bible to be the inerrant and inspired Word of God, and teaches that Jesus christ is the only way of salvation through His death and resurrection, and that the Holy Spirit is a person of the Godhead. A good church stresses the importance of prayer, and worship, and calls us to live in holiness, according to the standards god has set, not the church itself.

Jesus is the cornerstone of the church, so a church that worships Jesus Christ with all their might is a pretty good church!

You can find it by calling around your city and asking pertinent questions. I will not give you any names or denominations here, as it may cause a feud! I am non-denominational myself, so go ahead and see what you find.

[maguschris]

Well i guess to conclude this thread, unless anyone has anything to add is that we don't really know if Jesus is the only way.

Some parts of the Bible say God judges our hearts alone, where as other parts say that if we do not accept Christ we go to hell.

Then enters the question about those who never get the chance to accept Jesus, for whatever reason.

So overall no one really knows...not a big surprise, of course. I am a christian and I dont know either. I'd like to believe in a merciful God.

Guess we'll find out huh lol

[Floatingaxe]

Well i guess to conclude this thread, unless anyone has anything to add is that we don't really know if Jesus is the only way.

Some parts of the Bible say God judges our hearts alone, where as other parts say that if we do not accept Christ we go to hell.

Then enters the question about those who never get the chance to accept Jesus, for whatever reason.

So overall no one really knows...not a big surprise, of course. I am a christian and I dont know either. I'd like to believe in a merciful God.

Guess we'll find out huh lol

We do know that Jesus is the only Way! The Bible says that he looks upon the heart, yes, and it also says that without Christ we are sentenced to hell, apart from God. Why is that contradictory? The heart that doesn't know God, dies.

Christians know, or they aren't Christians! I hope you will come to a saving knowledge of Jesus, as I sense that you only have a nominal relationship with Jesus, and not a true saving, heart relationship with the One who loves you so much.

[maguschris]

We do know that Jesus is the only Way! The Bible says that he looks upon the heart, yes, and it also says that without Christ we are sentenced to hell, apart from God. Why is that contradictory? The heart that doesn't know God, dies.

Christians know, or they aren't Christians! I hope you will come to a saving knowledge of Jesus, as I sense that you only have a nominal relationship with Jesus, and not a true saving, heart relationship with the One who loves you so much.

Well im glad to know you PRESUME to know more than God...

I never said it was contradictory I was merely stating the two OPINIONS and INTERPRETATIONS that have been presented in this thread.

"christians know or they aren't christians"

uh huh well you presume to know a lot of things, in which you are, in fact, in error. So that statement reeeaaaally doesn't go too far. That and christians get no special "divine knowledge" the words are there, and anyone can understand them. Just because your "christian", doesn't mean your correct about every part of mainstream christian beliefs, as many christians do not see eye to eye. "well those who disagree are wrong!"...not exactly those who disagree are "wrong" in your eyes, because they disagree! you are a normal fallible human as they are. your both probably wrong on certain issues!

P.S. You should get your senses checked

Edited January 21, 2007 by maguschris

[Floatingaxe]

We do know that Jesus is the only Way! The Bible says that he looks upon the heart, yes, and it also says that without Christ we are sentenced to hell, apart from God. Why is that contradictory? The heart that doesn't know God, dies.

Christians know, or they aren't Christians! I hope you will come to a saving knowledge of Jesus, as I sense that you only have a nominal relationship with Jesus, and not a true saving, heart relationship with the One who loves you so much.

Well im glad to know you PRESUME to know more than God...

I never said it was contradictory I was merely stating the two OPINIONS and INTERPRETATIONS that have been presented in this thread.

"christians know or they aren't christians"

uh huh well you presume to know a lot of things, in which you are, in fact, in error. So that statement reeeaaaally doesn't go too far. That and christians get no special "divine knowledge" the words are there, and anyone can understand them. Just because your "christian", doesn't mean your correct about every part of mainstream christian beliefs, as many christians do not see eye to eye. "well those who disagree are wrong!"...not exactly those who disagree are "wrong" in your eyes, because they disagree! you are a normal fallible human as they are. your both probably wrong on certain issues!

P.S. You should get your senses checked

Ummm, yes I am fallible. I have never said I wasn't! But I know God and have walked with Him for 44 years. I know His voice and I am getting more and more understanding of His ways every day. I will never fully know Him until I die and see Him face to face. I present you with the wisdom that God Himself has given to me, as many here do. I suggest you take a little humility and listen and take some of this truth in.

We, as believers, do receive aome divine knowledge. You can too! It comes from being in communion daily with the Creator of the universe. It rubs off on ya!

My senses are pretty good, by the way. Thanks be to Jesus Christ.

[trailmix_101]

Like I said--get to a good church and read in context. My opinion, is that you need a believing mentor. I pray that you will ask the pastor or youth leader of a church to help you find one. If you could be discipled while your faith is young and small, you will develop a firm foundation for it to grow...you need that badly, I see.

I personally dont like going to Church. One because I cant get myself up that early in the morning ( lol ). But also because there is just this feeling that comes over me like Im not welcome in any church what so ever. I went to church as a child thats how I met a few of my friends and my boyfriend and I just always had that same feeling and it has not gone away over time.

I do agree that sometimes you do need a mentor to learn things or to help you figure things out but I think mostly its for you to decide what to believe and what you want to do. You cant have someone tell you what to do. Its like with a parent and their child. A parent tells you to do one thing and the child will do the complete opposite. Its all up to you what you do and believe.

[Floatingaxe]

Like I said--get to a good church and read in context. My opinion, is that you need a believing mentor. I pray that you will ask the pastor or youth leader of a church to help you find one. If you could be discipled while your faith is young and small, you will develop a firm foundation for it to grow...you need that badly, I see.

I personally dont like going to Church. One because I cant get myself up that early in the morning ( lol ). But also because there is just this feeling that comes over me like Im not welcome in any church what so ever. I went to church as a child thats how I met a few of my friends and my boyfriend and I just always had that same feeling and it has not gone away over time.

I do agree that sometimes you do need a mentor to learn things or to help you figure things out but I think mostly its for you to decide what to believe and what you want to do. You cant have someone tell you what to do. Its like with a parent and their child. A parent tells you to do one thing and the child will do the complete opposite. Its all up to you what you do and believe.

No it is not up to you to decide what to believe about the Lord and His Word. You cannot pick and choose.

As far as church-going, you need to get back to that. The feeling that you get that comes over you is the devil. He wants you to feel unwelcome. Push through that! He wants you to feel bothered! He does that! Other times it may be pure conviction in you of something that isn't right between you and God. Sin does that. It separates you from God and His people.

Ask God to forgive you of your sin and doubt and get back into a church with your friends and work through that fear and icky feeling you get. My husband had that and we recognized it right away that it is Satan. Rebuke that in Jesus' name and go forward. Hold onto it and stay as you are and suffer for it.

[cjrose]

We do know that Jesus is the only Way! The Bible says that he looks upon the heart, yes, and it also says that without Christ we are sentenced to hell, apart from God. Why is that contradictory? The heart that doesn't know God, dies.

Christians know, or they aren't Christians! I hope you will come to a saving knowledge of Jesus, as I sense that you only have a nominal relationship with Jesus, and not a true saving, heart relationship with the One who loves you so much.

Well im glad to know you PRESUME to know more than God...

I never said it was contradictory I was merely stating the two OPINIONS and INTERPRETATIONS that have been presented in this thread.

"christians know or they aren't christians"

uh huh well you presume to know a lot of things, in which you are, in fact, in error. So that statement reeeaaaally doesn't go too far. That and christians get no special "divine knowledge" the words are there, and anyone can understand them. Just because your "christian", doesn't mean your correct about every part of mainstream christian beliefs, as many christians do not see eye to eye. "well those who disagree are wrong!"...not exactly those who disagree are "wrong" in your eyes, because they disagree! you are a normal fallible human as they are. your both probably wrong on certain issues!

P.S. You should get your senses checked

It is not a matter of presumption but our commitment to the Lord and His Word, the Bible which is our daily bread meaning our guide, wisdom, truth, knowledge, counsel. Those who walk in darkness cannot understand or comprehend where our knowledge as Christians comes from. It's not presumsumption but knowledge born of the Lord that dwells within us. It is not our words but the Lords words.

I can understand the confustion with different interpretations but that is up to you to seek out the Truth through the word of God if you are seeking the Truth sincerely with all your heart.

Peace

[trailmix_101]

No it is not up to you to decide what to believe about the Lord and His Word. You cannot pick and choose.

As far as church-going, you need to get back to that. The feeling that you get that comes over you is the devil. He wants you to feel unwelcome. Push through that! He wants you to feel bothered! He does that! Other times it may be pure conviction in you of something that isn't right between you and God. Sin does that. It separates you from God and His people.

Ask God to forgive you of your sin and doubt and get back into a church with your friends and work through that fear and icky feeling you get. My husband had that and we recognized it right away that it is Satan. Rebuke that in Jesus' name and go forward. Hold onto it and stay as you are and suffer for it.

God gave us Free Will and a mind of our own for a reason to choose what we want to. I believe I control what goes on in my life. I can put my self in situations and I can try to take myself out of them. God may have a plan or whatever you want to call it but again my example of a parent with their child. A parent can have a path they want their child to follow and yea the child could get to where the parent wants them to be. But that doesnt mean that the child follows everything that their parent wants them to as they go down that path.

It may be the devil in me that gives me that un easy feeling in a church but I have had that feeling my whole life. Ive had alot of stuff happen to me in my life and there has been times where I questioned if God was even real or not. A persons beliefs in God and religion are due to experiences they have had in their life or they can just follow what other people tell them to. I personally think for myself and usually dont follow the crowd because I want to find things out on my own and make my own mistakes and learn from them.

An as far as sin goes... I know I have done sins. Im not saying that I havent. Everyone does. We learn from things in our lives and then there are the people who are stupid and dont learn from their mistakes or their sins. Me not wanting to go to church is my decision. I dont feel welcomed cuz I dont believe in everything in the Christian Faith. People are not right about everything, that is impossible. No one is right all the time. Maybe in their own opinion they are but there is always someway to prove someone wrong.