Once saved always saved?

[His son]

Again, we are talking about billions of people on Earth that do not know Christ. Only people who knew Him could've rejected Him.

Zeph 2:11

11 The LORD will be terrible unto them: for he will famish all the gods of the earth; and men shall worship him,EVERY ONE from his place, even all the isles of the heathen.

(KJV)

Another Scripture says every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Is Lord. God's pure justice says that we will all have the same opportunity to choose Him or flesh.

[Faith1]

He went and started another thread. Guess he figured he couldn't salvage this one.

Dove - Oh I see! better scoot on outta here then lol

[sagz4Christ]

1) It's true none can go to the Father but through Christ, and that means that all the people who go to heaven meet Christ Himself so they meet the truth.

The entire population of heaven knows the 100% of the truth no matter if they were buddhists or hindus or whatever while they were on Earth and also all the "issues of faith" between protestans and catholics will be clarified for good.

2)

Yes, as evil as it sounds to you, good people that don't accept Christ as their personal Lord ans Savior WILL in fact, go to hell.

[Guest Shaman]

sagz4Christ:

I won't fight you on this. But I will invite you to dialogue with me in order that you may know how your theology is a little off kilter with the Word of God.

I am willing to help out, but the ball is in your court.

If you don't respond in kind, then have a nice day!

I am very interested in what you have to say, because I too am a believer in God's word. It seems to me that Jesus gave the answer in several places as to how one gains eternal life. Mobile21 quoted Matthew 25:34-36. So, for you to say that his theology is a little off kilter, but offer nothing to support your accusation is simply cheating the forum. If we who believe the pure in heart shall see God are mistaken, then it is your duty to open our eyes with the knowledge you claim to have. Otherwise you are a cheater by pretending to know that which you really don't.

Unfortunately, to many have already been cheated by accepting the false notion that salvation necessarily equates to eternal life. Jesus was asked by a certain lawyer how to gain eternal life.

"Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He (Jesus) said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself."

Jesus told him: "Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live." Why is this so difficult to understand? Jesus tells us how to get to heaven. That's the way to eternal life. To add anything to this answer is to alter the word of God. In a sense that is exactly what the lawyer attempted to do. So, Jesus gives us the story of the Good Samaritan, who was a religious outcast who nevertheless obeyed the law of God. But, the so called righteous ones did not. Jesus asked then and is even now asking today: "Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise."

Do the same thing as the Samaritan if you want to have eternal life, not the same thing as the so-called religionists. Salvation only equates to eternal life for those who endure until the end. Endure what? obedience to these two Love Commandments.

So, since this understanding is off kilter, I submit myself to your correction even if mobile21 doesn't. The ball is back in your court.

Shaman

[Guest shadow2b]

[Guest Shaman]

shadow2b:

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" (Mat 24:11-13).

Shall be saved is a futuristic phrase. We are saved to reach the kingdom of God, but we must endure all the trials and temptations that we will encounter on the way.

Peace,

Shaman

[mobile21]

Sagz4Christ:

Of course I want to know your input on this. Feel free to post your answer whenever it's ready. I've been busy lately but I do check for updates often.

[mobile21]

When St. Paul said this he clearly said it to reaffirm his rejection of the "works of the jews" according to the Mosaic Law (Rom 9:30-33) so you shouldn't take this out of context like he was talking about the entire mankind.

Matt 25:34-36 however has no context because the Lord is talking about the Final Judgement for the people of all nations so again, we find that the debate of the salvation of the jews (those who know Yahweh's laws) and the salvation of the pagans are two different doctrinal questions yet it's a fact that one issue contains the other because one is broader than the other.

St. Paul in Rom 10:9 is talking about a detail of the doctrine regarding the jews but it doesn't mean that the universal standards for salvation "changed" in the New Testament from the Gospels to the Epistles.

[Guest Shaman]

Mobile21:

That was enlightening for me! Thanks!

Peace,

Shaman

[mobile21]

Mobile21:

That was enlightening for me!  Thanks!

Peace,

Shaman

Wow! This is the very first time someone "thanks me" for something I did since I got here (and I'm an "advanced member" now) LoL