Worthy News: Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Announces White House Bid

[chapmac]

A more accurate statement is there are Christians and there are liberals that call themselves Christians. I can accept the fact that we can disagree over big government as opposed to small government and high taxes as opposed to low taxes and still be Christian, but one cannot take positions that are anti-Christ in nature such as being pro-abortion and favoring the homosexual agenda and be a true Christian. Anyone that does so to me is Christian in name only.

I am a Civil Libertarian, thus I do not believe that the government should be used as a vehicle to promote, endorse, or compel others to adhere to my specific religious beliefs. My position (and that of the constitutions), is that your rights to live your life the way you choose to live your life extends so far as to not impede another individuals ability to do the same.

It is not a question of whether someone thinks that religious institutions ought to recognize same sex marriage or not, it is a question of whether one thinks that the government has any business being involved in the matter. It is not a question of what I think about abortion, but rather whether I think the government has any business being involved.

You may disagree those positions and thus believe that the government ought to be more authoritarian. That is fine, it is not my position though. Personally, I would certainly discourage someone from getting an abortion. However, I feel that the best way to do so is to have less unwanted pregnancies. If you did not have any unwanted pregnancies, you would not have any abortions. All that getting the government involved accomplishes is a woman getting some back alley abortion instead, or a child being raised in a home that does not want them.

I would have a hard time being a member of a parish that married same sex couples, I just don\\\'t think its any business of the governments.

The fact is, I think morality ought to be a choice, not something that is legislated.

You may disagree, thats fine. We disagree.

Every law on the books is the legislation of someone\\\'s brand of morality. We have laws against stealing, murder, slander, etc. They are all the legislation of morality by the government. In the case of abortion, it was illegal in most states till a group of dictators in black robes decreed such laws were unconstitutional. There is nothing in the Constitution saying this, and the author of the law, Blackman, admitted that before his death, saying it was a right he thought women should have. The same thing occured with regard to sodomy laws being struck down, after being found constitutional numerous times in the past.

The fact is Forrest, as a Christian, my relationship to God trumps anything else. I was told to be salt in this world, and that if the salt has lost it\\\'s savor, it is good for nothing but to be trodden under foot of men. People who say they are personally opposed to evil but don\\\'t try to bring an end to it are like that flavorless salt, good for nothing.

that last sentance sure rings true

can be applied to just about every member of the bush cabinet and most mainstream christian leaders these days

who needs the good lord for judgement day when so many are willing to step up and take over the task for him

Edited January 25, 2007 by chapmac

[chapmac]

A more accurate statement is there are Christians and there are liberals that call themselves Christians. I can accept the fact that we can disagree over big government as opposed to small government and high taxes as opposed to low taxes and still be Christian, but one cannot take positions that are anti-Christ in nature such as being pro-abortion and favoring the homosexual agenda and be a true Christian. Anyone that does so to me is Christian in name only.

I am a Civil Libertarian, thus I do not believe that the government should be used as a vehicle to promote, endorse, or compel others to adhere to my specific religious beliefs. My position (and that of the constitutions), is that your rights to live your life the way you choose to live your life extends so far as to not impede another individuals ability to do the same.

It is not a question of whether someone thinks that religious institutions ought to recognize same sex marriage or not, it is a question of whether one thinks that the government has any business being involved in the matter. It is not a question of what I think about abortion, but rather whether I think the government has any business being involved.

You may disagree those positions and thus believe that the government ought to be more authoritarian. That is fine, it is not my position though. Personally, I would certainly discourage someone from getting an abortion. However, I feel that the best way to do so is to have less unwanted pregnancies. If you did not have any unwanted pregnancies, you would not have any abortions. All that getting the government involved accomplishes is a woman getting some back alley abortion instead, or a child being raised in a home that does not want them.

I would have a hard time being a member of a parish that married same sex couples, I just don\\\'t think its any business of the governments.

The fact is, I think morality ought to be a choice, not something that is legislated.

You may disagree, thats fine. We disagree.

Every law on the books is the legislation of someone\\\'s brand of morality. We have laws against stealing, murder, slander, etc. They are all the legislation of morality by the government. In the case of abortion, it was illegal in most states till a group of dictators in black robes decreed such laws were unconstitutional. There is nothing in the Constitution saying this, and the author of the law, Blackman, admitted that before his death, saying it was a right he thought women should have. The same thing occured with regard to sodomy laws being struck down, after being found constitutional numerous times in the past.

The fact is Forrest, as a Christian, my relationship to God trumps anything else. I was told to be salt in this world, and that if the salt has lost it\\\'s savor, it is good for nothing but to be trodden under foot of men. People who say they are personally opposed to evil but don\\\'t try to bring an end to it are like that flavorless salt, good for nothing.

that last sentance sure rings true

can be applied to just about every member of the bush cabinet and most mainstream christians

I think it can safely be applied to you.

just remember that its people like me republican and christian who took more than a few bullets for people like you in iraq

[forrestkc]

Every law on the books is the legislation of someone's brand of morality. We have laws against stealing, murder, slander, etc. They are all the legislation of morality by the government. In the case of abortion, it was illegal in most states till a group of dictators in black robes decreed such laws were unconstitutional. There is nothing in the Constitution saying this, and the author of the law, Blackman, admitted that before his death, saying it was a right he thought women should have. The same thing occured with regard to sodomy laws being struck down, after being found constitutional numerous times in the past.

The fact is Forrest, as a Christian, my relationship to God trumps anything else. I was told to be salt in this world, and that if the salt has lost it's savor, it is good for nothing but to be trodden under foot of men. People who say they are personally opposed to evil but don't try to bring an end to it are like that flavorless salt, good for nothing.

Actually the vast majority of our laws on the books are based in the principle that your right to live you life the way you choose extends so far as to not to impede another individuals ability to to the same.

For example, if you steal from someone, you are infringing upon their liberty. If you murder someone, you are infringing upon their liberty.

[chapmac]

Isn\\\'t it funny how Marxist and Leftist Socialist have had a habit if driving out religion all together.

Dan

Communism is at odds with religion, but not socialism. Probably a third of the world\\\'s Christians live in Latin America, and almost all of the Latin American nations are ruled by very leftist governments.

A more accurate statement would be that virtually every totalitarian regime other than the Communists mixed religion and government. There was hardly a speech that Hitler gave that was not riddled with quotes from scripture.

Even though you guys seem to have this notion that ones ideology dictates their religious beliefs, the fact is, its not true. There are conservative Christians and their are liberal Christians. There are conservative atheists and their are liberal atheists. In fact, until the Religious Right political movement of the late 70s, traditional conservatism was in many ways a magnet for atheists like Ayn Rand and the objectivist movement.

A more accurate statement is there are Christians and there are liberals that call themselves Christians. I can accept the fact that we can disagree over big government as opposed to small government and high taxes as opposed to low taxes and still be Christian, but one cannot take positions that are anti-Christ in nature such as being pro-abortion and favoring the homosexual agenda and be a true Christian. Anyone that does so to me is Christian in name only.

whats really funny to me is how its typically the people who have never set foot on foreign soil much less spent one single day in a uniform in the service that are the fastest to share their expertise on foreign natons and other religions

same people usually are the ones to scream the loudest and most often about whose a real christian and who isnt

get back to me when you have actually been in iraq served one day in the military and most important have passed a single day without sinning

What is really funny to me how it is typically people who don\'t know what it means to be a true soldier in God\'s army, faithfully defending the teachings of God, who come into Christian web-sites, sharing their expertise on Christianity.

When you actually spend some time serving God instead of satan, get back to me.

By the way, many of our Presidents, some who ordered the military into action including Clinton never served.

i rebuke you in the name of jesus christ

i would love nothing more than for some weak reprobate like you hiding behind a computer screen to tell me that i serve satan to my face just once

it would be their last time i promise

[chapmac]

Isn\\\'t it funny how Marxist and Leftist Socialist have had a habit if driving out religion all together.

Dan

Communism is at odds with religion, but not socialism. Probably a third of the world\\\'s Christians live in Latin America, and almost all of the Latin American nations are ruled by very leftist governments.

A more accurate statement would be that virtually every totalitarian regime other than the Communists mixed religion and government. There was hardly a speech that Hitler gave that was not riddled with quotes from scripture.

Even though you guys seem to have this notion that ones ideology dictates their religious beliefs, the fact is, its not true. There are conservative Christians and their are liberal Christians. There are conservative atheists and their are liberal atheists. In fact, until the Religious Right political movement of the late 70s, traditional conservatism was in many ways a magnet for atheists like Ayn Rand and the objectivist movement.

A more accurate statement is there are Christians and there are liberals that call themselves Christians. I can accept the fact that we can disagree over big government as opposed to small government and high taxes as opposed to low taxes and still be Christian, but one cannot take positions that are anti-Christ in nature such as being pro-abortion and favoring the homosexual agenda and be a true Christian. Anyone that does so to me is Christian in name only.

whats really funny to me is how its typically the people who have never set foot on foreign soil much less spent one single day in a uniform in the service that are the fastest to share their expertise on foreign natons and other religions

same people usually are the ones to scream the loudest and most often about whose a real christian and who isnt

get back to me when you have actually been in iraq served one day in the military and most important have passed a single day without sinning

What is really funny to me how it is typically people who don\'t know what it means to be a true soldier in God\'s army, faithfully defending the teachings of God, who come into Christian web-sites, sharing their expertise on Christianity.

When you actually spend some time serving God instead of satan, get back to me.

By the way, many of our Presidents, some who ordered the military into action including Clinton never served.

i rebuke you in the name of jesus christ

i would love nothing more than for some weak reprobate like you hiding behind a computer screen to tell me that i serve satan to my face just once

it would be their last time i promise

[chapmac]

Isn\\\'t it funny how Marxist and Leftist Socialist have had a habit if driving out religion all together.

Dan

Communism is at odds with religion, but not socialism. Probably a third of the world\\\'s Christians live in Latin America, and almost all of the Latin American nations are ruled by very leftist governments.

A more accurate statement would be that virtually every totalitarian regime other than the Communists mixed religion and government. There was hardly a speech that Hitler gave that was not riddled with quotes from scripture.

Even though you guys seem to have this notion that ones ideology dictates their religious beliefs, the fact is, its not true. There are conservative Christians and their are liberal Christians. There are conservative atheists and their are liberal atheists. In fact, until the Religious Right political movement of the late 70s, traditional conservatism was in many ways a magnet for atheists like Ayn Rand and the objectivist movement.

A more accurate statement is there are Christians and there are liberals that call themselves Christians. I can accept the fact that we can disagree over big government as opposed to small government and high taxes as opposed to low taxes and still be Christian, but one cannot take positions that are anti-Christ in nature such as being pro-abortion and favoring the homosexual agenda and be a true Christian. Anyone that does so to me is Christian in name only.

whats really funny to me is how its typically the people who have never set foot on foreign soil much less spent one single day in a uniform in the service that are the fastest to share their expertise on foreign natons and other religions

same people usually are the ones to scream the loudest and most often about whose a real christian and who isnt

get back to me when you have actually been in iraq served one day in the military and most important have passed a single day without sinning

What is really funny to me how it is typically people who don\'t know what it means to be a true soldier in God\'s army, faithfully defending the teachings of God, who come into Christian web-sites, sharing their expertise on Christianity.

When you actually spend some time serving God instead of satan, get back to me.

By the way, many of our Presidents, some who ordered the military into action including Clinton never served.

i rebuke you in the name of jesus christ

i would love nothing more than for some weak reprobate like you hiding behind a computer screen to tell me that i serve satan to my face just once

it would be their last time i promise

[chapmac]

Isn\\\'t it funny how Marxist and Leftist Socialist have had a habit if driving out religion all together.

Dan

Communism is at odds with religion, but not socialism. Probably a third of the world\\\'s Christians live in Latin America, and almost all of the Latin American nations are ruled by very leftist governments.

A more accurate statement would be that virtually every totalitarian regime other than the Communists mixed religion and government. There was hardly a speech that Hitler gave that was not riddled with quotes from scripture.

Even though you guys seem to have this notion that ones ideology dictates their religious beliefs, the fact is, its not true. There are conservative Christians and their are liberal Christians. There are conservative atheists and their are liberal atheists. In fact, until the Religious Right political movement of the late 70s, traditional conservatism was in many ways a magnet for atheists like Ayn Rand and the objectivist movement.

A more accurate statement is there are Christians and there are liberals that call themselves Christians. I can accept the fact that we can disagree over big government as opposed to small government and high taxes as opposed to low taxes and still be Christian, but one cannot take positions that are anti-Christ in nature such as being pro-abortion and favoring the homosexual agenda and be a true Christian. Anyone that does so to me is Christian in name only.

whats really funny to me is how its typically the people who have never set foot on foreign soil much less spent one single day in a uniform in the service that are the fastest to share their expertise on foreign natons and other religions

same people usually are the ones to scream the loudest and most often about whose a real christian and who isnt

get back to me when you have actually been in iraq served one day in the military and most important have passed a single day without sinning

What is really funny to me how it is typically people who don\'t know what it means to be a true soldier in God\'s army, faithfully defending the teachings of God, who come into Christian web-sites, sharing their expertise on Christianity.

When you actually spend some time serving God instead of satan, get back to me.

By the way, many of our Presidents, some who ordered the military into action including Clinton never served.

i rebuke you in the name of jesus christ

i would love nothing more than for some weak reprobate like you hiding behind a computer screen to tell me that i serve satan to my face just once

it would be their last time i promise

[chapmac]

Isn\\\\\\\'t it funny how Marxist and Leftist Socialist have had a habit if driving out religion all together.

Dan

Communism is at odds with religion, but not socialism. Probably a third of the world\\\\\\\'s Christians live in Latin America, and almost all of the Latin American nations are ruled by very leftist governments.

A more accurate statement would be that virtually every totalitarian regime other than the Communists mixed religion and government. There was hardly a speech that Hitler gave that was not riddled with quotes from scripture.

Even though you guys seem to have this notion that ones ideology dictates their religious beliefs, the fact is, its not true. There are conservative Christians and their are liberal Christians. There are conservative atheists and their are liberal atheists. In fact, until the Religious Right political movement of the late 70s, traditional conservatism was in many ways a magnet for atheists like Ayn Rand and the objectivist movement.

A more accurate statement is there are Christians and there are liberals that call themselves Christians. I can accept the fact that we can disagree over big government as opposed to small government and high taxes as opposed to low taxes and still be Christian, but one cannot take positions that are anti-Christ in nature such as being pro-abortion and favoring the homosexual agenda and be a true Christian. Anyone that does so to me is Christian in name only.

whats really funny to me is how its typically the people who have never set foot on foreign soil much less spent one single day in a uniform in the service that are the fastest to share their expertise on foreign natons and other religions

same people usually are the ones to scream the loudest and most often about whose a real christian and who isnt

get back to me when you have actually been in iraq served one day in the military and most important have passed a single day without sinning

What is really funny to me how it is typically people who don\\\'t know what it means to be a true soldier in God\\\'s army, faithfully defending the teachings of God, who come into Christian web-sites, sharing their expertise on Christianity.

When you actually spend some time serving God instead of satan, get back to me.

By the way, many of our Presidents, some who ordered the military into action including Clinton never served.

i rebuke you in the name of jesus christ

i would love nothing more than for some weak reprobate like you hiding behind a computer screen to tell me that i serve satan to my face just once

it would be their last time i promise

You\'re just proving to be what I said with your latest rhetoric. It would almost be worth it to see you thrown in jail. I could probably have you arrested for communicating threats today if I wanted to.

you are a sad person

may you find the grace of jesus christ

[Ovedya]

I don't think this needs to continue...