The flood and fossil record

[SeekerOfTruth]

Not sure if this is in the right section, but I have a few questions and I hope I might find a few answers here.

My limited understanding:

God created the world and all the creatures during genesis. The flood was a world-wide occurence which destroyed every living human and animal except those who were brought inside the Arc.

What we see today is many different layers in the earth's crust, each crust older than the previous one as you descend. In each of these layers, certain types of fossils are found.

My questions are:

Is there any proof that the flood was indeed a world wide event?

Why aren't a massive amount of fossils found in a specific layer and an exponentially lower amount of fossils found in the other layers? (The flood wiped out almost ALL creatures, right?)

If we've been here from the start, why aren't human remains found along with fossils dated to be the oldest. Say dinosaurs?

Why are certain fossils found in only certain layers? All creatures have been here from the start and only natural selection and genetic adaptivity could influence their morphology. Why is there such a difference in the contents of each layer? Why do the fossils in these layers have such different shapes and sizes?

Excuse my lack of vocabulary in this matter. I do not know all the terminology to express my questions very clearly (How I regret not paying attention in school right now). But any answers or links to sources were I can find answers on these questions would be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Edited January 26, 2007 by SeekerOfTruth

[artsylady]

Hi Seeker: Seems like you have an open mind and that is a good thing.

God created the world and all the creatures during genesis. The flood was a world-wide occurence which destroyed every living human and animal except those who were brought inside the Arc.

What we see today is many different layers in the earth's crust, each crust older than the previous one as you descend. In each of these layers, certain types of fossils are found.

There is a lot of reading you can do at answersingenesis.org.

There are scientists who believe that these layers were layed down shortly after the flood and that the creatures who died were buried during this time. Polystrate fossils are proof of this. A polystrate fossil is usually a large fossil (like a whale) that has been found in many layers of rock. How could an animal live through thousands of years of these slowly laid down layers, without decaying?

My questions are:

Is there any proof that the flood was indeed a world wide event?

There is proof all over the globe that floods have happened (fossil graveyards) but most scientists won't beleive that it happened all at once. There are around 250 flood legends from all around the globe that are very similar to the story of Noah's flood. But, scientists throw that bit of anthropology out in favour of popular opinion.

Why aren't a massive amount of fossils found in a specific layer and an exponentially lower amount of fossils found in the other layers? (The flood wiped out almost ALL creatures, right?)

There are.

If we've been here from the start, why aren't human remains found along with fossils dated to be the oldest. Say dinosaurs?

They are.

Exactly the kind of evidence you would expect to find if a global flood had occurred has been found.

The whole modern scientific community adopted Darwinian theory way back when and has desperately held onto it despite all of the evidence that keeps surfacing that prove a young earth.

There are famous quotes by Colin Paterson, curator of the British Museum, which houses more than a million fossils, where Paterson admits that he knows of no transitional fossils. I can find them for you if you'd like. When a creation scientist happened to be in the audience and his quotes were made public, all heck broke loose. I do beleive the most fair minded scientists know that the evidence for evolution is scanty at best, yet they keep the theory going. What's this about? Money? Grants? Pride? I can only guess.

It's also a really bad thing to question evolution in the education system. If profs know that you are coming from a creationist standpoint, you are likely to fail. The powers that be in the educational system create a serious peer pressure to laugh at the creation model and fully embrace evolution, even though with the many differing theories of evolution (birds to dinosaurs, or whales to cows) there are serious disagreements. But as long as you believe in an evolutionary theory, you are okay.

So, in other words, you're not really allowed to think when it comes to science. You can pick between the evolutionary theories, but that's as far as you're really allowed to go and remain a respected member of the scientific community. STray from evolution and you're ostracised. It's the truth.

Interestingly enough, there are scientists who beleive in neither creation, nor evolution. Intelligent Design is gaining some headway however. The basic prinicpals of ID make sense. An example is the eye. If there are 10 components that are needed to create a functioning eye, and if even one of those is not fully functioning, the eye will not function, then how did these ten components come together, accidentally at the same time to provide sight, with no design or intelligence and merely by random mutations?

With all of the fossils that we have today, there should be millions of transitionals. Scientists point to about a thousand but if you take a look at them, they are all stretches of the imagination and don't prove anything at all. Take a look sometime and you'll see what I mean. True transitional fossils should look like they are in between something (like a fish with legs would be a true transitional) but even the so-called transitional fish fossils look like fish with fins. (although they will use descriptions like "leg like fins")

The fact that there are so many fossils is also proof of the great flood. Animals are fossilized because they are buried quickly before they have a chance to decay or be torn apart by other scavenger animals. Yet all over the world, we have millions of these fossilized creatures who were obviously buried very quickly.

Why are certain fossils found in only certain layers?

That's not the case actually but modern scientists would have you beleive that it is.

All creatures have been here from the start and only natural selection and genetic adaptivity could influence their morphology. Why is there such a difference in the contents of each layer? Why do the fossils in these layers have such different shapes and sizes?

Again, there are so many anomalies in evolution, so few fossils to support that theory, plus the existance of polystrate fossils. The evidence does point to a young earth and a global flood that destroyed many creatures. Please keep an open mind and research. Many scientists have done so and become creation scientists based on evidence and reasoning.

Excuse my lack of vocabulary in this matter. I do not know all the terminology to express my questions very clearly (How I regret not paying attention in school right now). But any answers or links to sources were I can find answers on these questions would be highly appreciated.

There is a lot of reading you can do at answersingenesis.org. There's a search engine there.

[SeekerOfTruth]

Thank you for your reply ArtsyLady.

[Questioner]

For the sake of balance, I will provide the answers science has to offer.

Not sure if this is in the right section, but I have a few questions and I hope I might find a few answers here.

My limited understanding:

God created the world and all the creatures during genesis. The flood was a world-wide occurence which destroyed every living human and animal except those who were brought inside the Arc.

What we see today is many different layers in the earth's crust, each crust older than the previous one as you descend. In each of these layers, certain types of fossils are found.

This is not strictly your, or anyone's, understanding; it's what is written in the Bible, not the result of a study.

My questions are:

Is there any proof that the flood was indeed a world wide event?

Varves disprove the idea of a world-wide flood. It is also a fact that there isn't enough water in the world to cover everything, even leaving the tallest mountains out of the picture. There could have been a huge flood in the area where those who wrote the Bible lived and such an event could have inspired the Flood myth - I don't know.

Why aren't a massive amount of fossils found in a specific layer and an exponentially lower amount of fossils found in the other layers? (The flood wiped out almost ALL creatures, right?)

Because a global flood never happened.

If we've been here from the start, why aren't human remains found along with fossils dated to be the oldest. Say dinosaurs?

Leaving aside the flood, dinosaurs existed millions of years before humans so you'll never find dino fossils and human fossils in layers dating to the same period.

Why are certain fossils found in only certain layers? All creatures have been here from the start and only natural selection and genetic adaptivity could influence their morphology. Why is there such a difference in the contents of each layer? Why do the fossils in these layers have such different shapes and sizes?

Either the theory of evolution is mostly correct or animals were created by God at different times (for whatever reason).

Excuse my lack of vocabulary in this matter. I do not know all the terminology to express my questions very clearly (How I regret not paying attention in school right now). But any answers or links to sources were I can find answers on these questions would be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Linking to anything about evolution and old earth creationism is against the TOS. Sorry. If you start from answers in genesis you'll get to "that" site, eventually.

[artsylady]

Varves disprove the idea of a world-wide flood. It is also a fact that there isn't enough water in the world to cover everything, even leaving the tallest mountains out of the picture. There could have been a huge flood in the area where those who wrote the Bible lived and such an event could have inspired the Flood myth - I don't know.

As I'm running out of time, here's a paragraph from AIG.

However, the varve model is no longer generally accepted. In the words of a leading researcher,

[backontrack]

Not sure if this is in the right section, but I have a few questions and I hope I might find a few answers here.

My limited understanding:

God created the world and all the creatures during genesis. The flood was a world-wide occurence which destroyed every living human and animal except those who were brought inside the Arc.

What we see today is many different layers in the earth's crust, each crust older than the previous one as you descend. In each of these layers, certain types of fossils are found.

My questions are:

Is there any proof that the flood was indeed a world wide event?

Why aren't a massive amount of fossils found in a specific layer and an exponentially lower amount of fossils found in the other layers? (The flood wiped out almost ALL creatures, right?)

If we've been here from the start, why aren't human remains found along with fossils dated to be the oldest. Say dinosaurs?

Why are certain fossils found in only certain layers? All creatures have been here from the start and only natural selection and genetic adaptivity could influence their morphology. Why is there such a difference in the contents of each layer? Why do the fossils in these layers have such different shapes and sizes?

Excuse my lack of vocabulary in this matter. I do not know all the terminology to express my questions very clearly (How I regret not paying attention in school right now). But any answers or links to sources were I can find answers on these questions would be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

A new source of information on dating such layers has been found in the recent eruption of Mt. Saint Helen

Edited January 26, 2007 by backontrack