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[Giaour]

Can a celebate homosexual be a Christian?

I compare it to an alcoholic, they are even alcoholics after they stop drinking.

[forrestkc]

Yeah, just as I figured. Typical biblical liberal biblical illiteracy. Sorry, but you wrong. Homosexual cannot be Christian.

There is an exceedingly condescending tone to your responses. You act as though you have some monopoly on Biblical knowledge.

Every Church in America is full of sinners. Every Church in America is full of people who continue to be greedy, continue to be materialistic, continue to be unjust, and who rationalize their every sin. If Gays and Lesbians cannot be Christians, then how can any of us be? We all rationalize our sin. Everyone of us. How are we any different than they are?

Hatred and intolerance is not a virtue.

[Guest shiloh357]

Yeah, just as I figured. Typical biblical liberal biblical illiteracy. Sorry, but you wrong. Homosexual cannot be Christian.

There is an exceedingly condescending tone to your responses. You act as though you have some monopoly on Biblical knowledge.

Every Church in America is full of sinners. Every Church in America is full of people who continue to be greedy, continue to be materialistic, continue to be unjust, and who rationalize their every sin. If Gays and Lesbians cannot be Christians, then how can any of us be? We all rationalize our sin. Everyone of us. How are we any different than they are?

Hatred and intolerance is not a virtue.

I dont' have a monoply on biblical knowledge, but you don't seem to have much biblical prowess to say the thing you do. True Biblical Christians cannot live in homosexuality.

A gay or lesbian can become Christians, but Homosexuality is an abomination toward God, and Christians cannot continue to be gay and call themselves Christians. Homosexuality is a lifestyle of sin. A man cannot follow Christ while having sex with men.

[Giaour]

answered my question too.

Thanks Shi

[forrestkc]

I dont' have a monoply on biblical knowledge, but you don't seem to have much biblical prowess to say the thing you do. True Biblical Christians cannot live in homosexuality.

A gay or lesbian can become Christians, but Homosexuality is an abomination toward God, and Christians cannot continue to be gay and call themselves Christians. Homosexuality is a lifestyle of sin. A man cannot follow Christ while having sex with men.

I am aware of the Biblical position on Homosexual acts. However, I stand by my point. We are all sinners, we may weigh sins by how much they personally bother us, thus many of us may concern ourselves with issues like Homosexuality much more than we would with materialism or injustice, but God does subjectively weigh and view them like we do. A church goer who longs for material luxuries is no less of a sinner and no more of a biblical Christian than a gay church goer is that is in a same sex relationship. Either way, they are sinners who have one way or another rationalized their sins. It is just that to many of us, homosexuality is more abhorrent than unjustness, greed, and other flaws we all have.

I will go so far as to honestly say this. If I attended a church that threw out someone because they were gay or lesbian, me, my wife, and my son would walk right out of that church with them.

[Guest shiloh357]

I am aware of the Biblical position on Homosexual acts. However, I stand by my point. We are all sinners, we may weigh sins by how much they personally bother us, thus many of us may concern ourselves with issues like Homosexuality much more than we would with materialism or injustice, but God does subjectively weigh and view them like we do.

Actually God calls it an abomination and he does not do that to every sin. So actually we are weighing the way God does. There were certain sins that were punishible by death like breaking the Sabbath, yet stealing was not given that harsh of a penalty God wieghed different sins as being worse than others. Homosexuality is worse in God's eyes than materialism.

I will go so far as to honestly say this. If I attended a church that threw out someone because they were gay or lesbian, me, my wife, and my son would walk right out of that church with them.

Who said anything about throwing anyone out??? Stop trying to be so dramatic. No one said that we hate homosexuals, or that they should be mistreated. What we are saying is that Homosexuality cannot be cast as compatible with being a true biblical Christian.

maybe you need to drop your silly liberal martyr complex, and actually pay attention.

[Kansasdad]

I am aware of the Biblical position on Homosexual acts. However, I stand by my point. We are all sinners, we may weigh sins by how much they personally bother us, thus many of us may concern ourselves with issues like Homosexuality much more than we would with materialism or injustice, but God does subjectively weigh and view them like we do.

Actually God calls it an abomination and he does not do that to every sin. So actually we are weighing the way God does. There were certain sins that were punishible by death like breaking the Sabbath, yet stealing was not given that harsh of a penalty God wieghed different sins as being worse than others. Homosexuality is worse in God's eyes than materialism.

I will go so far as to honestly say this. If I attended a church that threw out someone because they were gay or lesbian, me, my wife, and my son would walk right out of that church with them.

Who said anything about throwing anyone out??? Stop trying to be so dramatic. No one said that we hate homosexuals, or that they should be mistreated. What we are saying is that Homosexuality cannot be cast as compatible with being a true biblical Christian.

maybe you need to drop your silly liberal martyr complex, and actually pay attention.

Stop throwing around the labels. You made your point then you messed it up with the last line.

Let me get this straight, so now you are saying that God doesn't consider all sins the same and so there truly are mortal and venial sins?

[Kansasdad]

I am aware of the Biblical position on Homosexual acts. However, I stand by my point. We are all sinners, we may weigh sins by how much they personally bother us, thus many of us may concern ourselves with issues like Homosexuality much more than we would with materialism or injustice, but God does subjectively weigh and view them like we do.

Actually God calls it an abomination and he does not do that to every sin. So actually we are weighing the way God does. There were certain sins that were punishible by death like breaking the Sabbath, yet stealing was not given that harsh of a penalty God wieghed different sins as being worse than others. Homosexuality is worse in God's eyes than materialism.

I will go so far as to honestly say this. If I attended a church that threw out someone because they were gay or lesbian, me, my wife, and my son would walk right out of that church with them.

Who said anything about throwing anyone out??? Stop trying to be so dramatic. No one said that we hate homosexuals, or that they should be mistreated. What we are saying is that Homosexuality cannot be cast as compatible with being a true biblical Christian.

maybe you need to drop your silly liberal martyr complex, and actually pay attention.

Stop throwing around the labels. You made your point then you messed it up with the last line.

Let me get this straight, so now you are saying that God doesn't consider all sins the same and so there truly are mortal and venial sins?

Actually, you are the one throwing the labels around. The Holy Scriptures make no mention of mortal and venial sins.

What the Holy Scriptures do specifically say about homosexual sin is clear tho, written by the great apostle Paul:

1 Corinth. 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Corinth 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

The Hebrew/Greek interpretation of an abuser of themselves with mankind is a sodomite or your modern day homosexual partaking in this abomination.

Good try, but you no darn well I was referring to labels about people personally. Don't try to confuse the issue. And lets get real hear, The Trinity is never stated in scripture either. Just because the Bible doesn't have a certain word in it does not mean the concept is not there. Shiloh stated that God does not consider all sins the same. That is the very concept of mortal and venial sin. Some sins completely cut a person off from God. They are an open rebellion against God. You can not be in open rebellion and call him your master at the same time. A person can only serve one master. But not all sins fall in this category. The ones listed above very clearly do. And before some jump in with Jesus Died on the Cross for our sins, YES if Jesus had not done this all sins would lead to death, we as humans had no means to reconcile this fact. It is only because of the sacrifice of Jesus that it is at all possible for us to be included in the kingdom of Heaven. That part of the promise can never be changed by us humans. God gave it to us and it is there always, but he doesn't force us to take it, and if we choose to live in open rebellion against God that is our choice, as stupid as that might be.

God Bless,

K.D.

[Guest shiloh357]

Stop throwing around the labels. You made your point then you messed it up with the last line.

Let me get this straight, so now you are saying that God doesn't consider all sins the same and so there truly are mortal and venial sins?

I am not throwing around labels. I stand against homosexuality and the notion that one can participate in it and be a Christian and all he has done is characterize that position in this thread as one of desiring to mistreat gays and such, and I told him to drop the liberal martyr complex. I am not throwing around labels, I am addressing his silly behavior. I don't really care if you like it or not, though. If you don't like what I said, you can just get over it, and move on.

I said nothing abomut mortal venial sins. I don't use Catholic terminology, simply because I have learned that often, people use words that have meanings vested in them that I am not aware of. What I said, is that the Bible demonstrates that God does not weigh all sins the same, as evidenced in the fact that in His original theocracy, certain sins brought the death penalty, namely those sins committed with a high hand, such as murder, adultery, homosexuality, witchcraft, bestliality, and so on.

Forrestkc erroneously assumes a wrong definition of sin and thinks that if a person can be materialistic and be a Christian, that they should pretty much be allowed to live in one of the most vile sins on the planet, and still be considered Christian. His assumption is that all sins are the same, and they are not.

[Kansasdad]

Stop throwing around the labels. You made your point then you messed it up with the last line.

Let me get this straight, so now you are saying that God doesn't consider all sins the same and so there truly are mortal and venial sins?

I am not throwing around labels. I stand against homosexuality and the notion that one can participate in it and be a Christian and all he has done is characterize that position in this thread as one of desiring to mistreat gays and such, and I told him to drop the liberal martyr complex. I am not throwing around labels, I am addressing his silly behavior. I don't really care if you like it or not, though. If you don't like what I said, you can just get over it, and move on.

I said nothing abomut mortal venial sins. I don't use Catholic terminology, simply because I have learned that often, people use words that have meanings vested in them that I am not aware of. What I said, is that the Bible demonstrates that God does not weigh all sins the same, as evidenced in the fact that in His original theocracy, certain sins brought the death penalty, namely those sins committed with a high hand, such as murder, adultery, homosexuality, witchcraft, bestliality, and so on.

Forrestkc erroneously assumes a wrong definition of sin and thinks that if a person can be materialistic and be a Christian, that they should pretty much be allowed to live in one of the most vile sins on the planet, and still be considered Christian. His assumption is that all sins are the same, and they are not.

"maybe you need to drop your silly liberal martyr complex, and actually pay attention." No you don't throw around labels at all, and who isn't paying attention here. I at no time said I disagreed with what you said about homosexuality. And if you don't like me pointing out that adding those kinds of statements detract from your message I don't really care, get over it and move on. Oh and get a clue here just because you don't use "Catholic" terminology doesn't mean your expressed concept does not line up with that terminology perfectly. Either your ideas about how Gods judges sin are Biblically based and therefore the concept of mortal and venial sin is then also Biblically based, or your concept is not Biblically based and thus neither would mortal and venial sin. Whether you like it or not, you have just stated that you agree with the Catholic teaching about sin.