Don't Feed the Homeless

[Guest LadyC]

back, you're missing the point. whether tent revivals are not allowed, or whether permits for feeding large groups are required, does NOT prevent us from doing the work of God...

we can still do God's work, we can still witness, we can still provide food, unless we're so caught up in the "can't do's" that we unilaterally ignore the CAN do's.

it is our choice to decide that because of a few restrictions regarding size or location it's suddenly too big a job to fulfill God's commands.

oh, wait.... i said i was stepping out of this discussion. someone slap me.

[apothanein kerdos]

back, you're missing the point. whether tent revivals are not allowed, or whether permits for feeding large groups are required, does NOT prevent us from doing the work of God...

we can still do God's work, we can still witness, we can still provide food, unless we're so caught up in the "can't do's" that we unilaterally ignore the CAN do's.

it is our choice to decide that because of a few restrictions regarding size or location it's suddenly too big a job to fulfill God's commands.

oh, wait.... i said i was stepping out of this discussion. someone slap me.

You assume that all churches have the resources to move 125 people to their own private grounds...much less that their grounds can hold this number of people.

[Guest LadyC]

if they know where to go, they will come. if those cities are like this one, there are homeless people scattered throughout the city. and there are churches on every corner. they get around just fine on their own, trust me. if they know where someone is offering them a warm meal, they'll show up.

as to your other comment, i don't know of many churches that are not big enough to hold 125 people. BUT, you're making assumptions here. first, your making the assumption about the number of people. the law states a group of more than 25. i don't recall anyone elsewhere in this thread talking about 125, but let's just say maybe there are that many.

are you going to assume that 125 people is too many for God to make room for at your church? if He could make 2 fish and five loaves of bread feed a crowd of several thousand, i'm sure God could manage to make 125 people fit on the grounds of even the smallest church.

[Guest LadyC]

ya know, it seems a lot of people here are forgetting something.

if we're willing to do what it takes to do God's will, HE will take care of the details.

don't let someone saying you have to have a permit stop you from doing God's work. like i said earlier... don't get so caught up in what you can't do that you ignore the infinate possibilities of what you CAN do.

and what can we do? we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us.

[apothanein kerdos]

if they know where to go, they will come. if those cities are like this one, there are homeless people scattered throughout the city. and there are churches on every corner. they get around just fine on their own, trust me. if they know where someone is offering them a warm meal, they'll show up.

as to your other comment, i don't know of many churches that are not big enough to hold 125 people. BUT, you're making assumptions here. first, your making the assumption about the number of people. the law states a group of more than 25. i don't recall anyone elsewhere in this thread talking about 125, but let's just say maybe there are that many.

are you going to assume that 125 people is too many for God to make room for at your church? if He could make 2 fish and five loaves of bread feed a crowd of several thousand, i'm sure God could manage to make 125 people fit on the grounds of even the smallest church.

Again, you keep looking to the pragmatic issues. What does scripture say?

Dealing with the pragmatics -

Homeless people generally congregate where they please. Some churches, as I stated, do not have the resources to take them all in, give them a bed, clothing, food, etc. They have to travel in order to do this. You are ignoring these smaller churches.

As for God supplying...this is simply over spiritualizing the issue. That was one miracle that God performed for a point - why not take this apathetic view in all things?

I'm hungry mom!

Well, pray to God and see if he can conjure up a hamburger for you.

Doesn't make much sense, does it?

[Guest LadyC]

AK, i think the underlying problem here is simple.... MOST churches are not doing the work of God when it comes to caring for the homeless people.

if all churches were offering a soup line at least one day a week, there's no reason why ANY homeless person should skip a meal on ANY day of the week. because no matter where the homeless people go, there is a church within easy walking distance. there is no church too small to be able to provide one meal a week to 25 people.

and also, this thread is dealing with the feeding of the homeless, not providing them shelter.

[apothanein kerdos]

AK, i think the underlying problem here is simple.... MOST churches are not doing the work of God when it comes to caring for the homeless people.

if all churches were offering a soup line at least one day a week, there's no reason why ANY homeless person should skip a meal on ANY day of the week. because no matter where the homeless people go, there is a church within easy walking distance. there is no church too small to be able to provide one meal a week to 25 people.

and also, this thread is dealing with the feeding of the homeless, not providing them shelter.

I agree, but we don't live in an idealistic world, so we have to deal with what we have.

You're correct, but you offered the idea of transporting these homeless people to the churches. If the church cannot put these people up, then these people cannot go to that church. How so? Unless the church is in the middle of a designated area, the homeless people can't sleep in that area of town.

[Zceiv]

ok, all else aside. we are commanded by God to obey the laws of the land so far as they do not require you to deny His soveriegnty.

if the law says that a church representative is required to fill out a piece of paper before feeding a large group of people in a public area, then as a CHRISTIAN, we need to go fill out that little piece of paper.

or as a congregation, we need to open the doors of our CHURCH BUILDING and offer to feed them on private property. no permit required.

being a christian does NOT give us license to disobey this law.

Yes The church of gemany said the samething in WW2(Not to help a jew)

whats your opinion on this LadyC?

[Guest LadyC]

my opinion of this is that city ordinances preventing the feeding of groups larger than 25 outside of a 2 mile radius defined as a designated area without a permit, while NOT preventing feeding fewer than that within or without the boundaries of that designated area, AND while NOT preventing feeding the homeless on private property within or without that designated area, is a LONG LONG LONG WAY from being a second holocaust.

as to the post you made just prior to that one, again... the issue up for discussion, the laws regarding feeding people, have NOTHING to do with sheltering them. perhaps we could start a second thread discussing ways to shelter them.

[Zceiv]

my opinion of this is that city ordinances preventing the feeding of groups larger than 25 outside of a 2 mile radius defined as a designated area without a permit, while NOT preventing feeding fewer than that within or without the boundaries of that designated area, AND while NOT preventing feeding the homeless on private property within or without that designated area, is a LONG LONG LONG WAY from being a second holocaust.

as to the post you made just prior to that one, again... the issue up for discussion, the laws regarding feeding people, have NOTHING to do with sheltering them. perhaps we could start a second thread discussing ways to shelter them.

at which point do you not listen to the government?