end time prophesies causing panic sence the reserection

[Masked Chris]

if I sound arrogant it's only because I'm so darn frustrated. We have heard for decades upon decades that according to certain prophesies the end time is coming..... but this has been preached since and proven wrong since Jesus rose from the grave. I wanna tackle some of the claims told by what I'm positive are false profits.

1] Morality continues to drop at an unspeakable rate

A] not true.... we've always had this morel problem. It has not increased one bit.... ask your parents and they will tell you what THEY did as kids. It's not pretty.... every person goes through phases and according to Proverbs teenagers are usually very trouble prone.... it's not a new problem, not at all.

2] chaos is increasing on the earth

A] WWI, WWII, The Great Depression, Adolf Hitler.... need I say more? We are actually in a very peaceful time in history compared to what has happened before. In about 20 years people will define this generation as peaceful yet spoiled.

3] natural disasters are on the rise

A] My mother tells me stories about snow that covers houses during the winter and tornadoes that touch down every summer at an unbelievable rate... I've never seen snow cover my car and we have had bad storms but I've never felt the need to use a storm cellar.... again weather conditions are much more peaceful as well... the only thing "on the rise" is the political agenda and the deceptive nature of the world.

4] these events are getting worse and worse

A]no.... according to what I have pointed out these events are calming down and the world is in a very peaceful time in history..... 85% of history so far is bloody battle.... read the OT to get a picture of this or read about the battle of Vietnam.... we are living in a very peaceful time in history... but yet a very spoiled and ungrateful time as well.

5] finally my personal favorite "we are the only generation who has not believed in the 2nd coming when it is preached... thus proving it

A] I'm not sure where people even get this stance.... I believe in the 2nd coming and in fact it's one of my greatest hopes.... i just don't believe Jesus would say "you will not know the time or date" and THAN place hidden messages in the bible as if to solve a jig-saw puzzle. It's foolish.... plus if you take a good look in history, you will see that Gnostic people throughout history have abused the scriptures like this ever since the resurrection of Christ... these people will be assigned a place with the false profits... this is an old problem that will not go away.

and that's my rant for the night.

[kenod]

if I sound arrogant it's only because I'm so darn frustrated. We have heard for decades upon decades that according to certain prophesies the end time is coming..... but this has been preached since and proven wrong since Jesus rose from the grave. I wanna tackle some of the claims told by what I'm positive are false profits.

I don't think you should be looking at the last 10 years or so ... if you were as old as me you would be looking at the major changes since WW11 ... and look at the international situation!

1] Morality continues to drop at an unspeakable rate

A] not true.... we've always had this morel problem. It has not increased one bit.... ask your parents and they will tell you what THEY did as kids. It's not pretty.... every person goes through phases and according to Proverbs teenagers are usually very trouble prone.... it's not a new problem, not at all.

There has always been sin in society but consider what is now being condoned by governments in "Christian" countries:

- homosexual relationships are legally recognised and protected

- women and men are encouraged to have a variety of sexual partners

- the word husband or wife is no longer used on official forms

- abortion is considered a "right"

- an embryo can be legally "harvested" for its stem cells

- pornography is piped into the home via the internet

2] chaos is increasing on the earth

A] WWI, WWII, The Great Depression, Adolf Hitler.... need I say more? We are actually in a very peaceful time in history compared to what has happened before. In about 20 years people will define this generation as peaceful yet spoiled.

"Almost one third of all countries in the world have experienced violent conflict in the

past 10 years." (UN report, 2000)

- consider the types of weapons now available

- consider the rise of terrorism and the phenomenon of suicide bombers

- consider where the the current international political situation is leading, especially in the Middle East

3] natural disasters are on the rise

A] My mother tells me stories about snow that covers houses during the winter and tornadoes that touch down every summer at an unbelievable rate... I've never seen snow cover my car and we have had bad storms but I've never felt the need to use a storm cellar.... again weather conditions are much more peaceful as well... the only thing "on the rise" is the political agenda and the deceptive nature of the world.

Climate change is not a myth! It is considered by the UN to be the greatest ecological threat ever faced by humanity.

USGS lists 5 earthquakes of magnitude 9 or greater since 1700 .... 4 of these have been in my lifetime!

The Dec 2004 Asaian tsunami is the deadliest in recorded history.

Edited March 1, 2007 by kenod

[nebula]

Israel has been called back into existence as a nation.

[GeneV]

Israel has been called back into existence as a nation.

Thats nice!!!

I'm not sure where people even get this stance.... I believe in the 2nd coming and in fact it's one of my greatest hopes.... i just don't believe Jesus would say "you will not know the time or date" and THAN place hidden messages in the bible as if to solve a jig-saw puzzle. It's foolish.... plus if you take a good look in history, you will see that Gnostic people throughout history have abused the scriptures like this ever since the resurrection of Christ... these people will be assigned a place with the false profits... this is an old problem that will not go away.

Masked Chris,

please continue with your rants I find them so refreshing even if I don't agree with all you say.

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." Mark 13:32

Blessings to you Bro,

Gene

[MeCajunboy]

if I sound arrogant it's only because I'm so darn frustrated. We have heard for decades upon decades that according to certain prophesies the end time is coming..... but this has been preached since and proven wrong since Jesus rose from the grave. I wanna tackle some of the claims told by what I'm positive are false profits.

1] Morality continues to drop at an unspeakable rate

A] not true.... we've always had this morel problem. It has not increased one bit.... ask your parents and they will tell you what THEY did as kids. It's not pretty.... every person goes through phases and according to Proverbs teenagers are usually very trouble prone.... it's not a new problem, not at all.

2] chaos is increasing on the earth

A] WWI, WWII, The Great Depression, Adolf Hitler.... need I say more? We are actually in a very peaceful time in history compared to what has happened before. In about 20 years people will define this generation as peaceful yet spoiled.

3] natural disasters are on the rise

A] My mother tells me stories about snow that covers houses during the winter and tornadoes that touch down every summer at an unbelievable rate... I've never seen snow cover my car and we have had bad storms but I've never felt the need to use a storm cellar.... again weather conditions are much more peaceful as well... the only thing "on the rise" is the political agenda and the deceptive nature of the world.

4] these events are getting worse and worse

A]no.... according to what I have pointed out these events are calming down and the world is in a very peaceful time in history..... 85% of history so far is bloody battle.... read the OT to get a picture of this or read about the battle of Vietnam.... we are living in a very peaceful time in history... but yet a very spoiled and ungrateful time as well.

5] finally my personal favorite "we are the only generation who has not believed in the 2nd coming when it is preached... thus proving it

A] I'm not sure where people even get this stance.... I believe in the 2nd coming and in fact it's one of my greatest hopes.... i just don't believe Jesus would say "you will not know the time or date" and THAN place hidden messages in the bible as if to solve a jig-saw puzzle. It's foolish.... plus if you take a good look in history, you will see that Gnostic people throughout history have abused the scriptures like this ever since the resurrection of Christ... these people will be assigned a place with the false profits... this is an old problem that will not go away.

and that's my rant for the night.

Sorry Chris but I choose God! And God tells us in HIS WORD that man does not know his last day on Earth! If I trust in HIM , this is all I have to know! And what does all the other "claims" and "Prophesies" matter if WE all trust God with our lives? I believe that when we Fear life , we are showing God that we don't really trust HIM? Just like , when we pray for things we WANT, are we not actually telling God that we don't trust in HIM that HE is supply our needs? When asking for things in my behalf, I always ask for "HIS will to be done " in the request! Anything else, other than a resquest or prayer for others, shows distrust in God. God says HE has a plan for each of us. We only have to LISTEN and FOLLOW!

Blessings

Cajunboy

[Masked Chris]

I don't think you should be looking at the last 10 years or so ... if you were as old as me you would be looking at the major changes since WW11 ... and look at the international situation!

I don't by this.... our economic situation is no better or no worse than the times before us. Like I said.... prolly a little better. In the 1920s the people have just discovered the fruits of modern technology.... as plunged into it like a bunch of gluttons and as a result we were plunged into the Great Depression by the 1930s.... economic success to economic crash in only 10 years is the most unstable system I have ever witnessed.... we are not even close to as unstable... the government has it's problems but overall i think we are doing pretty well.

There has always been sin in society but consider what is now being condoned by governments in "Christian" countries:

- homosexual relationships are legally recognised and protected

- women and men are encouraged to have a variety of sexual partners

- the word husband or wife is no longer used on official forms

- abortion is considered a "right"

- an embryo can be legally "harvested" for its stem cells

- pornography is piped into the home via the internet

these are not worse problems..... they are simply the same problems in different ways. Consider how the OT governed. Polygamy was encouraged to be a norm.... Also in the OT there were sex-religion shrines of the god Baal.... these can be compared to the strip clubs we see in every bar.... these are old problems and we have always dealt with stuff like this. As Paul says "nothing as seized us except for what is common to man"...... there are no new sins.... everything we are seeing today has been seen before.

"Almost one third of all countries in the world have experienced violent conflict in the

past 10 years." (UN report, 2000)

- consider the types of weapons now available

- consider the rise of terrorism and the phenomenon of suicide bombers

- consider where the the current international political situation is leading, especially in the Middle East

new types of weapons maybe.... but the only reason behind this is the increase with technology..... this is the same thing as saying "the Internet is faster, so therefore the end is coming".... WWI and WWII had nuclear bombs and all that stuff..... the only difference in today's world is there are more advanced ways to do this.... it neither increases nor decreases the dangers..... a nuclear bomb is a nuclear bomb and this to is something we have seen before..... and once again I point to the OT.... war after war after war after war..... the most bloody movie ever made would be about the Old Testament.... Samson killed thousands upon thousands upon thousands of men..... some of these battles were so bloody that the blood from the men turned into rivers. It's all the same thing.... the only difference is there is simply new ways to create these rivers of blood..... whether you kill thousands by sword or thousands by bomb.... at the core.... nothing has changed.

Climate change is not a myth! It is considered by the UN to be the greatest ecological threat ever faced by humanity.

USGS lists 5 earthquakes of magnitude 9 or greater since 1700 .... 4 of these have been in my lifetime!

The Dec 2004 Asaian tsunami is the deadliest in recorded history.

[sweetycakes]

I heard somewhere, a long time ago, that Christians have always had to live in the end times.

Can't remember where I heard it, though.

My own thoughts on the subject have been, for a long time, as follows:

We are living in the end times.

Each one of us.

By that I mean that each of us will witness the end of the world, at the moment we die (or are raptured). So, we each have only our lifetime for this world to exist in our experience. And once our life is over, that is certainly the end of the world for us.

I know this does not address whether it is actually the end of the physical world as a whole, but, for us, who die - it is the 'End of the world.'

So, none of us will live beyond the end of the world as we know it.

Make sense?

[kenod]

'Masked Chris' date='Mar 2 2007, 04:29 AM' post='789368']

I don't by this.... our economic situation is no better or no worse than the times before us. Like I said.... prolly a little better. In the 1920s the people have just discovered the fruits of modern technology.... as plunged into it like a bunch of gluttons and as a result we were plunged into the Great Depression by the 1930s.... economic success to economic crash in only 10 years is the most unstable system I have ever witnessed.... we are not even close to as unstable... the government has it's problems but overall i think we are doing pretty well.

You might be doing pretty well ... but there are over 6 billion people in the world!

these are not worse problems..... they are simply the same problems in different ways. Consider how the OT governed. Polygamy was encouraged to be a norm.... Also in the OT there were sex-religion shrines of the god Baal.... these can be compared to the strip clubs we see in every bar.... these are old problems and we have always dealt with stuff like this. As Paul says "nothing as seized us except for what is common to man"...... there are no new sins.... everything we are seeing today has been seen before.

We can always make ourselves look good by finding someone worse to compare ourselves with. The standard is the New Testament, and the comparison is with those who claim to be Christian. There is a difference between what some people do, and what the government officially allows. When considering the question of immorality, the comparison you should be looking at is the history of your own nation from the first Christian settlers to today.

these signs were more than likely fulfilled during the days of the Apostles [since that's who Jesus was speaking to!].

If all the signs of Mat 24 and Luke 21 have been fulfilled, then do you believe that Jesus Christ returned in 70AD? I think you will find it difficult to get a lot of Christians to believe that!

Acts 1:11

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee,

why stand ye gazing up into heaven?

this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven,

shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Edited March 2, 2007 by kenod

[kenod]

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Another indication that we are nearing the time when Jesus Christ will return is what is called the "falling away" (2 Thes 2:3).

In my country, the number of people who regularly attend church has halved in my lifetime (I am 61).

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[JustinM]

It's awful that we can no longer trust our churches. I have witnessed on some websites and the most awful Christian bashers, mockers and scoffers were once Christians, but were taken advantage of by a corrupt church. Fellowship is important, but I believe my home is just as much my church as some building a few blocks away. Churches are a great place to meet Christians and fellowship, they are the hub that unites us, but I don't seem them in as important as a role that they used to be.