Christians rejecting the Faith?

[jmelrok]

By the Way as a newer member I read the pinned message at the beginning of this thread, has anyone else? This behavior isn't tolerated from what I see, regardless whose bashing who. I want to thank those who create a welcoming mature enviroment.

[jmelrok]

BRAVO~I would like to thank you for such a Mature and respectable comment Sister. I could learn from your short, to the point and put it there comments.

[SisterT-Enduring2TheEnd]

BRAVO~I would like to thank you for such a Mature and respectable comment Sister. I could learn from your short, to the point and put it there comments.

[Guest idolsmasher]

Sorry Shiloh but I have to agree, you were doing great and I completely agree with you on the doctrinal side, but you did lose it a little unfortunately. While I don't agree with sister2 the end and it seems her style is a little brash, I didn't think she was too far out of line. Criticizing doctrine is understandable, but personal attacks are nasty! Just my humble opinion!

[Catsmeow]

Ya'll ....drop it; hug and make up and bless the Lord's heart.

People get upset. We're all human. Let's just forgive and stop bringing it up.

End it now...just hug.

[Guest LadyC]

I joined this communtiy because of the FAIR and mature debates and to learn something from others.  I did NOT join because of the name calling and the degrating that occurs when someone disagrees with someone else.  Why does Shiloh continue to bash others when they don't agree with his/hers thoughts?  I am apalled that this is allowed and tolerated on a Christian based board.

shiloh357: You should change your user ID to SisterClueless2TheEnd. This is just typical garbage from your crowd assigning to us what you think we believe. You cannot participate in an honest or meaningful debate because your too busy telling me what I believe and putting words in my mouth. Any intelligent discourse is impossible with you.

This is hostility in its finest. I believe that not everyone will agree with each others beliefs but there is a way to handle it and go about our business in a mature fashion. I can say that I am fed up with the short time I have been here and if this continues will not be back.

Just an newbies point of view.

Hello, and welcome. Here are a few of the "remarks" that started hostility here, and they were not from Shiloh. He was responding to remarks like these when he said that. These were being said either about the doctrine of OSAS, or those who hold to it, and telling those who believe OSAS what we believe: (bold added by me)

"Some Great Websites that combat this false doctrine:"

"Now, who am I supposed to believe? John Ankerberg or the Spirit of God?

1 Timothy 4:1 KJV

(1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; "

"So how do these "smooth talkers" get such a conclusion? Certainly not from the Bible. I'd hate to teach or base my eternal future on such unscriptural doctrines of men"

"If you cannot see the difference, then it is no surprise. OSAS teaches that obedience to God is a work. "Just sit back and rest because God did it all for you", OSAS says, while completely ignoring passages that commands us to avoid sin, stand firm, and endure to the end, claiming that to do so is "trying to earn you salvation". Sad."

Only to a doctrine that breeds this type of lawless thinking.

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I don't think Shiloh started the hostility.

calamity,

i've seen OSAS'ers say that to believe otherwise was to believe doctrines of demons as well. i can't believe you would quote a scripture that someone posted that referred to something as a doctrine of demons and use that to support that anyone would bash another. it was scripture!

this "level of hostility" from others here is NOT on the level of calling names such as "sisterTclueless2theend".

i have personally been the target of shiloh's arrogance, and have watched for days while others are targeted even more harshly than i was. we (collectively speaking of his targets) have been accused of giving limp-wristed arguments, of arrogance, of ignoring scripture, of being incapable of intelligent debate, not having a grasp of what is being said (and this has been said to more than one person in more than one context), of posting garbage, of subverting the Word of God, saying "we'll see who makes it to the throne" implying that those who disagree on this issue will not make it to heaven, reading into scripture what we want to hear, and so on.

yet when we post scripture after scripture in which God's Word unmistakably warns of the consequences of rejecting our faith and turning to false gods, they go largely ignored... and when questioned about being ignored, we're told that it takes too much time to read the long posts, and too much effort to address them. many of those long posts had no personal commentary at all, just scriptures. it's too time consuming to read scriptures? no wonder this thread has degenerated into such a hateful display of childishness.

there is nothing civil regarding these comments. and by even coming to respond, i'm acting just as childish. at least i'm mature enough to admit it.

[Guest idolsmasher]

Amen Cats, let's move on guys!

[Guest Calamity]

LadyC, I am out of this thread after this post. I do believe the OSAS doctrine was referred to or insinuated as being a doctrine of devils. Why else was that Scripture used after the comment? It was clearly called "false doctrine" in other posts.

Believing differently on the OSAS subject, does not mean that the one who disagrees with you is following false doctrine or false teachings, or doctrines of devils, but unforunately, that's how it is implied time and again.

Then, we keep hearing WHAT we believe, by those who do not even believe OSAS. When we try to tell them, it doesn't matter, or goes ignored, or some other remark comes back. I know what I believe, just as you do, and I do not believe that it's a license to sin, or some of the other things that have been said.

I can agree to disagree, but some people don't seem to be able to do that. It's a shame that this can't be discussed in a civil manner, because it really would be interesting to hear BOTH sides, and the reasons they believe what they do, plain and simple - but it doesn't look like that will happen.

Enjoy the thread, all.

[Catsmeow]

Loving each other pleases the Lord...we may not always agree but then, only He knows all the answers.

One thing we DO know...is that it pleases Him to forgive, forget and move on.

We all have our many shortcomings...and we all get uptight sometimes.

[SisterT-Enduring2TheEnd]

Sorry Shiloh but I have to agree, you were doing great and I completely agree with you on the doctrinal side, but you did lose it a little unfortunately. While I don't agree with sister2 the end and it seems her style is a little brash, I didn't think she was too far out of line. Criticizing doctrine is understandable, but personal attacks are nasty! Just my humble opinion!

Brash? Uh-oh! That's not good as I'm really not a brash person. My apologies to everyone!

I'll bring down the "brashness" some!

Thanks for that, Smasher!