God and the flooding of New Orleans

[Guest shiloh357]

Tell the same thing to the katrina victims.

Tell them their family member died because of God punishing America because of Bush.

This thread is telling them exactly that.

I'm done.

Bash away at America and put blinders on regarding everyone else.

But Gia, that is not the same thing as saying, "this is your fault, and you deserved this because you're not a Christian." You are trying to compare two dissimilar things.

[Guest lnj]

Huh? I'm confused...

Isn't God in control over nature?

Does nature have a mind of it's own and God stands back with Arms folded?

Don't agree.....

[nebula]

America is not at war with God.

America has not come against Jerusalem.

George Bush was trying to play the peacemaker.

America on the whole loves Isreal.

We love our brothers and sisters in Christ.

Did it occur to anyone that maybe Isreals problems come from THEIR disobedience and denial of Christ?

Giaour -

I love my country, I really do. But I can't say that America is not at war with God. School prayer, evolution mandated, curse words becoming more acceptable to say than the name of Jesus unless used as a swear word, . . . need I continue?

As for America's stand with Israel . . . I'm not so sure the majority are pro-Israel. At least, I hear more people supporting "land for peace" than those of us who say that's a crock.

As for Israel's troubles . . . it seems clear their trouble will eventually lead them to acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. However, to throw our weight in with those who seek to destroy Israel is not exactly a safe place to be. What does Ezekiel 38-39 say will happen to them? Who's side will you want to be on in that day?

See what I'm saying?

[Smalcald]

The problem is with this kind of analysis is that it is just impossible to know. We have hundreds of disasters each year if not thousands, which are from God and which are not, and how do you know the difference? What happens is people project our own prejudices and pride in the place of God

[Guest yod]

I do think God impacts in this way, don't get me wrong, but until I have solid evidence from scripture, I would withhold judgment.

I have consistantly said that it wasn't a judgement on New Orleans. It was a judgement on America that hit Gulfport MS, and destroyed the home of Senate majority leader Trent Lott. The city of New Orleans got what they've been asking for by tempting "mother earth" so long. Is that better?

If it were a single incident, I'd be saying the same thing you are...but it isn't. And again...a White House Correspondent has chronicled since Bush's dad was President what many of us are trying to tell America and you. 14 of the 15 worst disasters in America's history (as rated by insurance companies) have happened within 24 hours of a major initiative to give Israel to God's enemies.

But you ask for scriptural evidence? Honestly...the entire Bible is replete with proven examples of this concept. There are literally dozens (if not hundreds!) of verses where God promised to carry them for His name's sake. Tell me....how seriously does He take His Name?

Here are just a few verses from Zechariah. I could get as many from almost any of the prophets.....

Zech 1: 14So the angel who was speaking with me said to me, "Proclaim, saying, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "I am exceedingly jealous for Jerusalem and Zion.

15"But I am very angry with the nations who are at ease; for while I was only a little angry (at Israel), they furthered the disaster."

16'Therefore thus says the LORD, "I will return to Jerusalem with compassion; My house will be built in it," declares the LORD of hosts, "and a measuring line will be stretched over Jerusalem."'

17"Again, proclaim, saying, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "My cities will again overflow with prosperity, and the LORD will again comfort Zion and again choose Jerusalem."'"

Zech 2:8 For thus says the LORD of hosts, "After glory He has sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches you, touches the apple of His eye.

Zech 12:9 And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Zech 13: 1 Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you.

2For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.

3Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.

4In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east;

Zech 14: 12 Now this will be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the peoples who have gone to war against Jerusalem; their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, and their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongue will rot in their mouth.

[eric]

The problem is with this kind of analysis is that it is just impossible to know. We have hundreds of disasters each year if not thousands, which are from God and which are not, and how do you know the difference? What happens is people project our own prejudices and pride in the place of God

[eric]

These kinds of speculations may really hurt people

Smalcald:

God will do what He said he would do when it comes to His covenant people, Israel. He did not bring them back to the land of Israel from exile after 2,000 years, just to have the land He gave to the Jews infested with Jew hating muslims trying to murder them, with the endorsement of the American government by pushing for and endorsing a terror state inside of the heartland of Israel. God's glory and His faithfulness to His Word will be shown through Israel and to Israel as He makes His name known through them. God is sending a loud message to the governments of the world, including ours in America. They either get it or they don't. And Scripture, and America's actions toward Israel shows us we haven't gotten it, and we will suffer the consequences of our government's actions.

Best take God at His Word.. We are not the only country that will be cursed by God for messing with Israel. Look around at all the Jew hating anti-semetic nations in Europe pushing for an islamic terror state inside of Israel, and what is happening to them for supporting Israel's enemies through the UN and EU. They are being cursed with the take over by islam.

You go girl, I'm with you all the way.

[Guest]

Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Zechariah 12:2-3

[Micah68]

God has to judge this world for what they have/have not done with the life of Jesus. He didn't send His Son to this world to end up with a world filled with iniquity of all sorts that we don't even want to mention here. He sent His Son so that people would know how to live with one another and walk with God their Father. Ultimately we are all judged by what we have done with that knowledge. God's judgments will only increase as iniquity spreads and people don't get the message.

It appears as if God is judging but yet God doesn't judge. He is only a buring love for His children. We judge ourselves by our actions. What happens as a result is simply like the law of gravity. If you drop it, it's going to fall. If you sin, it's going to catch up with you. We each have to stop sin in our lives.

If we believe that God has the ulimate control over this world then we have to acknowledge that God allowed Katrina to happen, not for one reason only but for many reasons, all of them perfect. Many things happened because of that day and many hearts were revealed. America is being judged for its decisions against Israel, but so also are individual hearts being revealed and judged. God is perfect in all His ways. We have to remember His true purpose in His judgments: to get us to turn back to Him. It's up to us to walk humbly and see where we each have failed Him and turn our lives around to honor Him.

[Giaour]

yod, could you repost the 14 of 15 disasters that you keep referencing,please?