Spiritual Language (Tongues)

[Vickilynn]

Hi Vicki, and all!

I didn't notice that the discussion disintegrated into something not edifying, honestly.

Shalom Egal,

That's your perspective. Mine is as I wrote, I saw it disintregrating into futile arguments.

I just saw that you and a few others disagreed is all. Maybe we can get somewhere here, by reading a few of the previous posts. There have been some delightful testimonies of the baptism of which we speak happening subsequent to conversion, and of the gift of tongues, and all very honestly and humbly expressed I must say.

While that's wonderful, there are other people's experiences as well which are just as valid.

Then I noticed that a few got uppity somehow, I am wondering if they just feel peed off because they haven't had that experience or haven't received the gift of tongues or any other gift yet.

Hmmm, I don't thnk that's very gracious or fair. And since we cannot read each other's hearts, it is wise to refrain from assuming.

You don't know who has or has not received what gift. Let's keep this focused on the issues, shall we?

Well guys, may I suggest, trade those heavy religious boots IMMEDIATELY for the liberty that you will find by asking the Lord to give you more of the blessed Holy Spirit. But ask believing, nothing wavering, and you shall receive, as the scriptures say. I do not think I need to find them.

And I find this "uppity" E-Gal.

What makes you think that someone hasn't been baptized in the Holy Spirit just cuz it didn't happen for them as it did for you and your friends? G-d is a personal G-d and He deals with people where and how they need.

Do not dare to assume that someone who believes differently than yourself about WAY the Holy Spirit fills a person is wrong, or has "religious boots" or anything else. G-d is the judge, please let Him do His job. He doesn't need any help!

We're talking issues and Scriptures and need to stop pointing fingers. OK?

[Floatingaxe]

Nah, there was no disintegration, only spirited discourse on a topic that could become pretty steamy, but it didn't come anywhere near that.

[Vickilynn]

Nah, there was no disintegration, only spirited discourse on a topic that could become pretty steamy, but it didn't come anywhere near that.

Shalom FA,

And you are entitled to your opinion, as I am.

Do not try to invalidate mine simply because you disagree with it.

You see it one way - fine. I see it another, which is also fine.

Your opinion is not the only one out there.

Now that's enough about that, the issues are what this thread is about.

[Vickilynn]

Hi Vicki,

I wish you had quoted the rest of my post, but never mind.

I think you are confused on the difference between being filled with the Spirit and being baptised in the Spirit.

Shalom E-gal,

My name is Vickilynn by the way. Would you please be so kind as to not call me Vicki? Thanks!

No, I am not CONFUSED at all. Just because someone disagrees with you, you think they are confused?

I've been a Christian a long time and I happen to know what being baptized in the Holy Spirit is, thank you.

I didn't want to nitpick on this but it might be helpful if you would describe to us what happened when you were baptised in the Holy Spirit, since according to what you said it would have happened at your conversion.

No, you are mistaken. I said the Baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs to ALL Believers when they are born-again. That is Scripture.

Tongues can come later, as it did in my case. I posted my experience of being baptized in the Holy Spirit a page or two back. I guess you missed it. You should read it.

BTW, I want to say that I don't need to "prove" anything to anyone. I don't need a badge to be able to post my view of Scripture and my very valid experience in the L-rd. We are ALL Christians here and we won't agree on everything, but I protest this attitude of "I've got it and you don't" if someone doesn't agree with your description. Please, leave that out of the discussion.

[Floatingaxe]

Nah, there was no disintegration, only spirited discourse on a topic that could become pretty steamy, but it didn't come anywhere near that.

Shalom FA,

And you are entitled to your opinion, as I am.

Do not try to invalidate mine simply because you disagree with it.

You see it one way - fine. I see it another, which is also fine.

Your opinion is not the only one out there.

Now that's enough about that, the issues are what this thread is about.

Aren't we all aware by now how this thing works? I give an opinion, you give one, others join in...isn't that how it works? Give it a rest now.

[Vickilynn]

Give it a rest now.

Shalom,

If I did that y'all would have no one to call the "bad guy" and blame things on!

[Floatingaxe]

Give it a rest now.

Shalom,

If I did that y'all would have no one to call the "bad guy" and blame things on!

We would all have a rest in that case.

[Vickilynn]

We would all have a rest in that case.

Shalom FA,

You can rest by simply ignoring my posts. You can give it a rest dear.

And Y'all were fussin' before I got here and you'll all be fussin' after I leave, so I'm not taking that.

[Floatingaxe]

There is such a thing as unity. The Scriptures are clear on the baptism of the Holy Spirit. It is a different work, and a different experience, and can and mostly does occur at a separate time from salvation.

[Vickilynn]

Hi Vickilynn,

Apologies, I just found something you wrote on receiving the gift of tongues, so I see we are agreeing on more than I realised. I just couldn't find the bit about your baptism.

Shalom EphesiansGal,

No, I don't think we are actually agreeing because we each are simply sharing our experiences which are different.

Either way, I can't get around the fact that I was baptised with the Holy Spirit after my conversion.

That's how it worked for you, but it not the ONLY way, that's my point.

I know that I received Him at conversion, but that baptism experience didn't happen until later, and then tongues came after that. Thats the only thing I must take issue with you on, that you say the baptism happens at conversion invariably, and that scripture supports it.

I believe the Scriptures are clear that the Holy Spirit indwells us, fills us and baptizes us when we are born-again. We may or may not exhibit tongues at that time, or never in our lives. As we open ourselves to the Holy Spirit and allow Him to work on us, we walk closer to Jesus and exhibit more gifts, over time. We are continually being filled if we are open to the Holy Spirit.

I'm OK that you "take issue" with what I believe, but it's based on the Scriptures as I understand them and my personal experience in the L-rd. I don't mind that people disagree with one another, G-d does not stay in a box and He gives peope what they need, sometimes in different ways.

If you can clarify that it would help me sleep, lol

I hope you can sleep now!