How Modern Liberals Think

[Tubal-Cain]

That is not Socialism! Socialism is a political movement based on coercion.

True, Acts is not describing a political system. Note that all governments that tax their populace use coercion. This is not a unique trait of socialism. Socialism is no more anti-Christian than many other forms of government.

[Guest Biblicist]

"Imagine being in a restaurant with an old friend and he blurts out, "I hate my wife."

And you kind of chuckel to yourself cause he says that every time you are together, they've been married 35 years, he has two daughters with her, they are just like her he loves his daughters. You know your friend does not hate his wife.

Then you look out the window and you spot his wife being beaten up, and you grab your friend by the shirt coller and say "Come on, lets go. Let's go help her!" and he says. "Nah, I'm sure she deserves it!"

That's what 9/11 was to me. I would hear my friends say how evil, and horrible and racist, and oppressive America is and I would laugh and say they really don't hate America, they are just saying that. And then on 9/11 we were beaten up and I grabbed my liberal friends and said, "Come on, lets go, lets help her, lets help America!" and they said, "Nah, she deserves it!" And it was then that I realized that they really do hate America."

[Oh Hamburgers!]

Yeah, maybe that means I'm not a modern liberal according to him?

I consider myself much more liberal than conservative, but I supported our anti-terrorist action in Afghanistan.

I dunno, he brought up a lot of interesting points (yes I listened to the whole thing). He seemed very intelligent, and I found myself agreeing to a few of his ideas, but there were many extreme examples and straw men he set up. I respect his presentation, but I don't agree with many of his assumptions.

EDIT: I'm curious though. Aren't youtube videos banned from this site? I thought I remembered a few arguements about youtube, and the fact that while certain movies may be wholesome, youtube itself can lead to other more negative things. This is a good example of a educational and informative youtube link, I don't advocate removing it, but I just thought I remembered something about that.

[Marnie]

EDIT: I'm curious though. Aren't youtube videos banned from this site? I thought I remembered a few arguements about youtube, and the fact that while certain movies may be wholesome, youtube itself can lead to other more negative things. This is a good example of a educational and informative youtube link, I don't advocate removing it, but I just thought I remembered something about that.

Could be. I appreciate you taking the time watch the whole thing, though. As I said at the outset, I absolutely detest the YouTube website. I tried to upload the video to another website, but it was too big; I thought I could link to the other site. If a mod feels the need, delete this thread. However, I felt the content of the speech was important enough to be viewed.

And you are right, I have read your posts for a few weeks and you are not a modern liberal. You are more like the classical liberal of a bygone era. You got the point.

[Marnie]

That is not Socialism! Socialism is a political movement based on coercion.

Socialism is no more anti-Christian than many other forms of government.

Coercion is never a Christian trait; socialism is coercive. Socialism is as unbiblical as any sin.

[Guest Biblicist]

In order to eliminate discrimination the "Modern Liberal" has opted to become utterly indiscriminate.

In order to not discriminate we have to intentionally make ourselves stupid. We have to intentionally pretend that we do not know some of the things that we do know.

The problem is, the ability to discriminate, the ability to thoughtfully choose the better of the available options.

Bush is Hitler

Regan is Hitler

Giuliani is Hitler

How is Rudolph Giuliani like Hitler to a thinking person?

In one way

Hitler discirminated against the Jews

Giuliani discriminated against the crack addicted "street walkers" in Times Square.

Hitler discriminated against the Catholics

Giuliani discriminated against the criminal overloards.

Hitler discriminated agains the gypsies

Giuliani discriminated against the terrorists on 9/11 and beyond

See, any form of discrimination is discrimination.

Indiscriminateness of thought does not lead to indiscriminateness of policy.

[Arthur Durnan]

Arash the Archer out of Iran, is it not, should always remember that ten out of every two people are dyslexic. Socialism? Why time-travel back to the 19th-century? I can rant too, therefore I am.

GOD BLESS THE USA!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[Guest Biblicist]

"One man's terrorise is another man's freedom fighter."

[The Lorax]

Youtube is kosher now? I'll have to keep that in mind...

That is not Socialism! Socialism is a political movement based on coercion.

Socialism is no more anti-Christian than many other forms of government.

Coercion is never a Christian trait; socialism is coercive. Socialism is as unbiblical as any sin.

I think that's a stretch. Don't get me wrong, socialism stinks (for one, there are no incentives to work), but I don't think the Bible has anything to say about it.

As for coercion; every system of government uses coercion. The US is using it right now in Iraq. And we're using it to keep criminals in jail. Etc. But maybe you are using a definition of coercion that I am unfamiliar with.

coerce (n)

1 : to restrain or dominate by force <religion in the past has tried to coerce the irreligious -- W. R. Inge>

2 : to compel to an act or choice <was coerced into agreeing>

3 : to achieve by force or threat <coerce compliance>

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/coercing

[traveller]

I removed the link to youtube. We have an 'across the board' policy of no youtube links. Rules are rules