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How to get a headache.

Problem, car is running roughly. Solution, change the oil, plugs, and filters. Simplify answer, fix the car.

Meditate on answer....fix the car is like build a car...Ford made factory to build cars...build factory...disqualify all cars not produced in MY factory.

The leap from teach others to seminary is far larger than my example.

As I said (completely ignored), the efforts to disqualify, dismiss, and disillusion are essential to Catholic Doctrines, but certainly the Catholic church is not alone in these bizarre practices that are designed to disqualify anyone that is not of US, whichever group US might be.

This is not new behaviour, Jesus rebuked his soon-to-be apostles for forbiding someone that was casting out demons, but not following them. It is easy to get into an "I'm OK, but you aren't" position, but it is NOT what Jesus nor Paul taught.

Show me scripture that supports how your pastor became a pastor :noidea:


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Show me scriptures on Pope, or Cardinal, or Vatican, or Mass, or Purgatory, or Nun, or Blessed Assumption, or Mother of God, or prayers to any other than God (including to angels or Mary or saints). You are the one way out on the theological limb here, Kansasdad, and while you are buzy choaking on the gnat while chugging camels, you might want to actually READ what the bible says, putting away your Cathoilc playbook, and try to find full truth, not just the batch of man made doctrines you love so much.

To serve as a pastor does not require being a Roman Catholic father, nor forbidding to marry, nor commanding to obstain from meats. According to the bible, these are doctrines of devils, and there comes a place to call em as the Word does.


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"Pastor" is a verb, not a noun. We are all supposed to pastor.


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Show me scriptures on Pope, or Cardinal, or Vatican, or Mass, or Purgatory, or Nun, or Blessed Assumption, or Mother of God, or prayers to any other than God (including to angels or Mary or saints). You are the one way out on the theological limb here, Kansasdad, and while you are buzy choaking on the gnat while chugging camels, you might want to actually READ what the bible says, putting away your Cathoilc playbook, and try to find full truth, not just the batch of man made doctrines you love so much.

To serve as a pastor does not require being a Roman Catholic father, nor forbidding to marry, nor commanding to obstain from meats. According to the bible, these are doctrines of devils, and there comes a place to call em as the Word does.

Wow...such aggression!


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Show me scriptures on Pope, or Cardinal, or Vatican, or Mass, or Purgatory, or Nun, or Blessed Assumption, or Mother of God, or prayers to any other than God (including to angels or Mary or saints). You are the one way out on the theological limb here, Kansasdad, and while you are buzy choaking on the gnat while chugging camels, you might want to actually READ what the bible says, putting away your Cathoilc playbook, and try to find full truth, not just the batch of man made doctrines you love so much.

To serve as a pastor does not require being a Roman Catholic father, nor forbidding to marry, nor commanding to obstain from meats. According to the bible, these are doctrines of devils, and there comes a place to call em as the Word does.

And by the way...I can show you scriptures that support all of those things. It'll take me awhile to type them all up, since you brought up so many points.


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The Unity of the Church will only occur if we are universal, if we are ONE. This can only happen, if all of the overseers trace their lineage to the original overseers...the Apostles.

Are you telling us that we must follow the lead of only those who can trace their bloodline back to the original apostles? That is preposterous. God never had that in mind. In fact, it is a heretical belief.

Jesus gave the ordr for us all to make disciples of every nation. The a[postles took up that challenge and we continue to this day, anointing each other in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit into the high calling of the Lord Jesus Christ. We are a Royal Priesthood! Hallelujah!

Soon He will be coming for His Church and will be finding a few faithfully serving in this way....thank God.

No body said anything about a blood line. Where did that crazy notion come from? Do you actually take the time to really read the post or are you jumping to conclusions before you have finished?

Scripture tells us how pastors were appointed. This is an indisputable fact. It is there in writing, and historical text. Paul does not give it as a suggestion, he is telling his disciples "This is how it will be done" period. If you choose to follow something different, that is your choice, but you are not following the traditions set forth by God. You are following a tradition set forth by Man. If this is not correct then show me where scripture sets forth how your pastor was appointed. After all don't you constantly preach that the Bible is ALL that is needed , and that it gives you everything you need. Show me scripture that supports your position. I have shown you scripture that supports mine. If you can't give me scripture then it is nothing more than your opinion.

This idea serves only to confuse.

How do you believe one becomes an overseer? By what Biblical tradition?

Godly men and women are set in by the laying on of hands, by other Godly leaders...and so on it goes as it started.

Show us definitive scripture, because you are very, very vague, in my opinion.


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The Unity of the Church will only occur if we are universal, if we are ONE. This can only happen, if all of the overseers trace their lineage to the original overseers...the Apostles.

Are you telling us that we must follow the lead of only those who can trace their bloodline back to the original apostles? That is preposterous. God never had that in mind. In fact, it is a heretical belief.

Jesus gave the ordr for us all to make disciples of every nation. The a[postles took up that challenge and we continue to this day, anointing each other in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit into the high calling of the Lord Jesus Christ. We are a Royal Priesthood! Hallelujah!

Soon He will be coming for His Church and will be finding a few faithfully serving in this way....thank God.

No body said anything about a blood line. Where did that crazy notion come from? Do you actually take the time to really read the post or are you jumping to conclusions before you have finished?

Scripture tells us how pastors were appointed. This is an indisputable fact. It is there in writing, and historical text. Paul does not give it as a suggestion, he is telling his disciples "This is how it will be done" period. If you choose to follow something different, that is your choice, but you are not following the traditions set forth by God. You are following a tradition set forth by Man. If this is not correct then show me where scripture sets forth how your pastor was appointed. After all don't you constantly preach that the Bible is ALL that is needed , and that it gives you everything you need. Show me scripture that supports your position. I have shown you scripture that supports mine. If you can't give me scripture then it is nothing more than your opinion.

This idea serves only to confuse.

How do you believe one becomes an overseer? By what Biblical tradition?

Godly men and women are set in by the laying on of hands, by other Godly leaders...and so on it goes as it started.

Show us definitive scripture, because you are very, very vague, in my opinion.

Titus 1:5

Acts 14:23

1 Timothy 5:22

1 Timothy 4:14

1 Timothy 3:1

1 Timothy 3:8

1 Timothy 5:17

Acts 1:25-26

Acts 1:20

And the Spirit of Matthew 18:17-18

Luke 10:16

1 Corinthians 12:28-29

Ephesians 2:20


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The Unity of the Church will only occur if we are universal, if we are ONE. This can only happen, if all of the overseers trace their lineage to the original overseers...the Apostles.

Are you telling us that we must follow the lead of only those who can trace their bloodline back to the original apostles? That is preposterous. God never had that in mind. In fact, it is a heretical belief.

Jesus gave the ordr for us all to make disciples of every nation. The a[postles took up that challenge and we continue to this day, anointing each other in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit into the high calling of the Lord Jesus Christ. We are a Royal Priesthood! Hallelujah!

Soon He will be coming for His Church and will be finding a few faithfully serving in this way....thank God.

No body said anything about a blood line. Where did that crazy notion come from? Do you actually take the time to really read the post or are you jumping to conclusions before you have finished?

Scripture tells us how pastors were appointed. This is an indisputable fact. It is there in writing, and historical text. Paul does not give it as a suggestion, he is telling his disciples "This is how it will be done" period. If you choose to follow something different, that is your choice, but you are not following the traditions set forth by God. You are following a tradition set forth by Man. If this is not correct then show me where scripture sets forth how your pastor was appointed. After all don't you constantly preach that the Bible is ALL that is needed , and that it gives you everything you need. Show me scripture that supports your position. I have shown you scripture that supports mine. If you can't give me scripture then it is nothing more than your opinion.

This idea serves only to confuse.

How do you believe one becomes an overseer? By what Biblical tradition?

Godly men and women are set in by the laying on of hands, by other Godly leaders...and so on it goes as it started.

Show us definitive scripture, because you are very, very vague, in my opinion.

Titus 1:5

Acts 14:23

1 Timothy 5:22

1 Timothy 4:14

1 Timothy 3:1

1 Timothy 3:8

1 Timothy 5:17

Acts 1:25-26

Acts 1:20

And the Spirit of Matthew 18:17-18

Luke 10:16

1 Corinthians 12:28-29

Ephesians 2:20

So? Jesus left us with quite a job, didn't He?


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One last time. No discussion of particular denominations.


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One last time. No discussion of particular denominations.

I have at no time tried to make this about any particular denomination. I have tried to address the OP question on how do you become a pastor. I have given what parts of scripture address this issue, and asked for others to back up their position with scripture. Any tirade on a particular denomination or about me personally is only a smoke screen so one doesn't have to address the issue the original poster is asking. He didn't ask what is the role of every person in the church, So comments about what we are all called to do does not address his question. Comments about my personal beliefs do not address his question. I think the question is a very good question because we have far too many "pastors" springing up all over the place. If the Bible gives us everything we need then we should follow what the bible gives us for direction.

God Bless,

Kansas Dad

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