Salvation "IF YOU"

[justjake]

This verse says "IF YOU live according to the sinful nature you will die."

Doesn't this ring a bell to you? Where did God first mention this????

In the Garden!

"In the day you eat of it you shall surely die."

Did they receive a sentence in hell? No....God covered their sin. However, had they not sinned they would never have tasted death at all.

How long did they live? Physical death did not come instantly but they began dying the day they began sinning. I believe that this applies to the verse quoted.

Sin has a price even though it is spiritually covered. It brings death and destruction to our flesh.

You want to disobey God by eating pork? It brings damage to your intestines. You want to stay drunk? It brings death to your liver. You want to lose control and murder someone? There is a price for that also...but even that can be forgiven. Remember David? He committed the sin of adultery and then murder. Did he go to hell for it? No, he repented...but it did bring death to Absalam...and other areas of David's life were destroyed.

1 John 5:16

If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life.  I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death.  There is a sin that leads to death. (NIV)

Romans 6:16-18

Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? (NIV)

James 1:14-16

...For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.  Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full grown, gives birth to death.  Do not be deceived my dear brothers.

1 John 5:16

If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life.  I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death.  There is a sin that leads to death. (NIV)

Romans 6:16-18

Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? (NIV)

James 1:14-16

...For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.  Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full grown, gives birth to death.  Do not be deceived my dear brothers.

James 5:19-20

My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, let him know, that he which converted the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and cover a multitude of sins.

[Guest yod]

"In the day you eat of it you shall surely die."

Did they receive a sentence in hell? No....God covered their sin. However, had they not sinned they would never have tasted death at all.

How long did they live? Physical death did not come instantly but they began dying the day they began sinning. I believe that this applies to the verse quoted.

Sin has a price even though it is spiritually covered. It brings death and destruction to our flesh.

You want to disobey God by eating pork? It brings damage to your intestines. You want to stay drunk? It brings death to your liver. You want to lose control and murder someone? There is a price for that also...but even that can be forgiven. Remember David? He committed the sin of adultery and then murder. Did he go to hell for it? No, he repented...but it did bring death to Absalam...and other areas of David's life were destroyed.

[Guest idolsmasher]

If toenails aren't important why does my wife spend so much time painting them???

HUH???? :oww:

Answer THAT smarty-pants!?!

You finally asked me a question that I have to admit...."I DON'T KNOW"! Man, that was hard to say! :oww:

[Guest yod]

FINALLY!!!

O HAPPY DAY@@@@!!!!

you may bow and kiss the ring now....

Isaiah 40

13 Who has understood the mind of the LORD ,

or instructed him as his counselor?

14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him,

and who taught him the right way?

Who was it that taught him knowledge

or showed him the path of understanding?

[His son]

Justjake,

you hang in there brother with The Truth. OSAS is totally a man made doctrine, and those who believe in it are deceived because they refuse to set aside their preconceived idea which they were taught by men, and do a Genesis to Revelation study on The Salvation process. If they would only open their eyes and look at all the the words they have to add to what Scriptures actualy say in order to stay deceived. Not to mention how they have to be taken out of context of their actual purpose. So keep posting The Truth and pray that God will open their eyes. I have a long list of Scriptures that deal with Salvation if you ever need them post it, and I will put it on the board.

[Guest yod]

There really is no need for your "superior" tone.

I know every scripture you would post because I was there when I was a youngster in the Lord.

But since you are so smart....

at what point does someone lose their salvation and can they get it back?

I'm waiting....

[OneAccord]

Man, this OSAS stuff makes me feel like the Lord has a gun to my head or something, if I make a wrong move I'm done for. Yikes!!!

What happened to His yoke is easy and His burden is light? Are those just words to woo us into the fold and then He lays down the law, or what?

It seems like many are not able to walk in the glorious law of liberty or to rejoice under the supreme law of LOVE, but want to bind themselves with more cords and bonds. I like the no strings attached comment earlier.

Meanwhile let Him fill your heart with love exceedingly abundantly and walk in it.

[Guest yod]

we agree!

If the Lord saved us by grace, will He not be able to hold us by His grace also?

[OneAccord]

we agree!

:il: Praise the Lord!!!!!! \o/

[Guest idolsmasher]

they refuse to set aside their preconceived idea which they were taught by men, and do a Genesis to Revelation study on The Salvation process. If they would only open their eyes

The Concision also thought that believers had to keep the law for salvation but Paul took issue with them and reproved them over it. As far as looking to the law (OT) for salvation, I think you'd do better to study the New Testament.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Christ has died in vain if works can save.