Split - Faith vs Works

[Floatingaxe]

Everyone knows an atheist stands before the White Throne to be judged, and will bow before Christ before being cast into outer darkness.

Uhmm noooooo this is not so. as soon as you die, your judged and cast into hell or go to heaven. Once the Great white throne occurs, your delivered from hell and you will bow before christ before being cast into the lake of fire.

Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Ummmm no. No one has been judged as yet. It is not the time yet.

Your arguing with scripture. the scripture says we are judged when we die. And it also says that those who are judged and their non believers they go to hell at death. And it says that hell will deliver them to bow before christ before being cast into the lake of fire. What part of that do you disagree with?? Remember its scripture

Read the parable of the wheat and the tares. Read about the sheep and the goats. Read about the reaper angels who gather those who are not of God and the bidding of God by removing them to that place of torment. There are many refereces to a particular day of judgment.

I think there is a general misunderstanding of some who believe that the word Hell, means punishment. There is such a place where people who are not believers go TO AWAIT JUDGEMENT. That is where these people are now. On Judgment Day, those dead outside of Christ will be brought out of that hell/hades and brought to stand before the White Throne, acknowledge Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and be cast away forever.

[Kansasdad]

By default we are all going to the White throne (Rev 20:11). But acceptance of Jesus Christ we are justified and now go to the Bema seat (Eph 1:13). Only believers go to the Bema seat (1 Cor 3:11). We go to this place because of our acceptance in Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 3:11-13

From here you will be judged according to your works and be given rewards.

If you never lifted a finger to do any type of work then your working faith is

[Floatingaxe]

2 Corinthians 5:10

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

This is the Judgment seat of Christ..for the redeemed.

There is also the White Throne Judgment which is for the unredeemed.

[Eliyahuw]

Everyone knows an atheist stands before the White Throne to be judged, and will bow before Christ before being cast into outer darkness.

Uhmm noooooo this is not so. as soon as you die, your judged and cast into hell or go to heaven. Once the Great white throne occurs, your delivered from hell and you will bow before christ before being cast into the lake of fire.

there isn't a scripture that talks about a "heaven or hell" judgement.

If you are saved you go to judgement. If you are not saved you go straight to hell

until the white throne.

For someone who never accepted Christ, what is there to judge upon his death?

feel free to post the "heaven or hell" judgement. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Based on how law works. IF you die as a unbeliever, there must be a examination of the evidence against you and when weighed in the balance, if your found guilty then sentence is passed. that requires judgement.

The bible says man is appointed a time once to die and after that the judgement.

Notice that it doesn't say christians are appointed or non-believers are appointed. IT says man both christians and non-christians.

sooo after death then comes judgement. You cannot go to hell as hell is a sentence unless your judged.

IF the christians go to be judged at the 'bema seat' then the non-saved must be judged upon death also. Then you have revelations that say all non-saved are going to be brought back out of hell to face the GWT which every knee will bow and give christ his due respect. Then they get cast into the lake of fire.

[Eliyahuw]

Everyone knows an atheist stands before the White Throne to be judged, and will bow before Christ before being cast into outer darkness.

Uhmm noooooo this is not so. as soon as you die, your judged and cast into hell or go to heaven. Once the Great white throne occurs, your delivered from hell and you will bow before christ before being cast into the lake of fire.

Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Ummmm no. No one has been judged as yet. It is not the time yet.

Your arguing with scripture. the scripture says we are judged when we die. And it also says that those who are judged and their non believers they go to hell at death. And it says that hell will deliver them to bow before christ before being cast into the lake of fire. What part of that do you disagree with?? Remember its scripture

Read the parable of the wheat and the tares. Read about the sheep and the goats. Read about the reaper angels who gather those who are not of God and the bidding of God by removing them to that place of torment. There are many refereces to a particular day of judgment.

I think there is a general misunderstanding of some who believe that the word Hell, means punishment. There is such a place where people who are not believers go TO AWAIT JUDGEMENT. That is where these people are now. On Judgment Day, those dead outside of Christ will be brought out of that hell/hades and brought to stand before the White Throne, acknowledge Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and be cast away forever.

Your referring to hades/sheol which i believe was destroyed when christ defeated death.

[Eliyahuw]

By default we are all going to the White throne (Rev 20:11). But acceptance of Jesus Christ we are justified and now go to the Bema seat (Eph 1:13). Only believers go to the Bema seat (1 Cor 3:11). We go to this place because of our acceptance in Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 3:11-13

From here you will be judged according to your works and be given rewards.

If you never lifted a finger to do any type of work then your working faith is

[Eliyahuw]

By default we are all going to the White throne (Rev 20:11). But acceptance of Jesus Christ we are justified and now go to the Bema seat (Eph 1:13). Only believers go to the Bema seat (1 Cor 3:11). We go to this place because of our acceptance in Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 3:11-13

From here you will be judged according to your works and be given rewards.

If you never lifted a finger to do any type of work then your working faith is

[Eliyahuw]

By default we are all going to the White throne (Rev 20:11). But acceptance of Jesus Christ we are justified and now go to the Bema seat (Eph 1:13). Only believers go to the Bema seat (1 Cor 3:11). We go to this place because of our acceptance in Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 3:11-13

From here you will be judged according to your works and be given rewards.

If you never lifted a finger to do any type of work then your working faith is

[Floatingaxe]

Your referring to hades/sheol which i believe was destroyed when christ defeated death.

Where is that in Scripture? There has yet to be any of God's judgments. Even for the dead--in Christ or without.

[exrockstar]

Based on how law works. IF you die as a unbeliever, there must be a examination of the evidence against you and when weighed in the balance, if your found guilty then sentence is passed. that requires judgement.

The bible says man is appointed a time once to die and after that the judgement.

Notice that it doesn't say christians are appointed or non-believers are appointed. IT says man both christians and non-christians.

sooo after death then comes judgement. You cannot go to hell as hell is a sentence unless your judged.

IF the christians go to be judged at the 'bema seat' then the non-saved must be judged upon death also. Then you have revelations that say all non-saved are going to be brought back out of hell to face the GWT which every knee will bow and give christ his due respect. Then they get cast into the lake of fire.

yes, nonbelievers go to hell til the white throne judgement.

ever wonder why? so they can see that there is a hell. so they can recognize the decisions theyve made

regardig rejection on Christ.

When they get called out of hell for the white throne judgement, believe me they will KNOW THERE IS A GOD.

by all means, this is all talk until you lay scripture explaining your point.

and verify the scripture we are laying down and question it. ... 3xR0c|<stAr