Salvation question

[EricH]

Eliyahuw

Born of water, and born of spirit. the born of water is the physical birth our soul, the born of spirit is christ entering. NEITHER of these have anything to do with Baptism.

IN FACT, this question was ANSWERED by Christ You guys just didn't include the next verse. Christ said what is born of flesh is the flesh AKA born of Water and what is born of Spirit is spirit AKA salvation!!!

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[exrockstar]

Brothers this is lengthy but I please ask that you read this with patience.

If you do not know this information then it will (or should) boost up your studies.

Baptism by the Holy Spirit was brought forward by Paul.

We all can agree The Greek word "baptizo" means immersion.

1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)

2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe

3) to overwhelm

we have seen this action back since John the Baptist.

It went from "repentance for the remission of sins" to "remission of sins " to "remission of sins in the name of Jesus Christ (in Acts 8)" and now here come Paul in Acts 9. He is personally called by Christ.

I never liked the guilt trip that religious people say "Paul got baptized so should you."

Well yeah because he was a new member of the Body and hasn't reached that spiritually maturity level.

So what did this symbolism of water baptism mean?

Is it public declaration? Is it obedience? Is it remission of sins?

Geez do I love John 3:12 "I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?"

In the heavenly aspect all along the Holy Spirit was at work.

Think of the Church of Christ. This beautiful blueprint of wonderful architecture that is sitting out somewhere that is being built everyday. The Holy Spirit is the bricklayer.

Paul says: Eph 2:"19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

All of these bricks, around this building being built, is the entire world with many many souls. Every time some one is saved the Holy Spirit lifts you up and places you into this building. Like Baptism. Lifts you up then lays you down. You have joined the body.

1 Corinthians 12:13

For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body

[Floatingaxe]

Read Matthew 3 and note how Jesus Himself was baptized. In doing so, He set an example for us to follow. Obedience is the lesson.

Paul did it because he wasn't spiritually mature yet? What does that mean, really? When we first come to Christ we are never spiritually mature. So we follow out of obedience the command to be baptized. I think refusing to follow is a sign of spiritual immaturity.

If Jesus did it, I sure needed to.

[exrockstar]

Read Matthew 3 and note how Jesus Himself was baptized. In doing so, He set an example for us to follow. Obedience is the lesson.

Paul did it because he wasn't spiritually mature yet? What does that mean, really? When we first come to Christ we are never spiritually mature. So we follow out of obedience the command to be baptized. I think refusing to follow is a sign of spiritual immaturity.

If Jesus did it, I sure needed to.

"Christ did it so we should do it"....priceless. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

[Phil.2:12]

Read Matthew 3 and note how Jesus Himself was baptized. In doing so, He set an example for us to follow. Obedience is the lesson.

Paul did it because he wasn't spiritually mature yet? What does that mean, really? When we first come to Christ we are never spiritually mature. So we follow out of obedience the command to be baptized. I think refusing to follow is a sign of spiritual immaturity.

If Jesus did it, I sure needed to.

"Christ did it so we should do it"....priceless. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

...and your point is? As a baptized believer in Jesus Christ, I am very pleased to do those things Jesus did including being baptized in water as He was. Certainly I will follow my Lord and Savior and submit to those things He submitted to following the Scripture found in 1 Peter 2:21 "...leaving us an example that ye should follow His steps". If He left me an example to follow, then it would be rebellious for me to flaunt His example and tell Him that I don't need to do what He did when He was leaving me an example.

"Christ did it so we should do it"...priceless. ...3xROc|<stAr

Again I ask, What's your point?

[Floatingaxe]

Read Matthew 3 and note how Jesus Himself was baptized. In doing so, He set an example for us to follow. Obedience is the lesson.

Paul did it because he wasn't spiritually mature yet? What does that mean, really? When we first come to Christ we are never spiritually mature. So we follow out of obedience the command to be baptized. I think refusing to follow is a sign of spiritual immaturity.

If Jesus did it, I sure needed to.

"Christ did it so we should do it"....priceless. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Yes. We should be doing what He did, always! He was the epitome of submission to God. He was obedient to death. Do not mock Jesus, exrockstar.

Anything Jesus did, we can do..and more, as He put it.

John 14:12...

I tell you the truth, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father.

[Eliyahuw]

Question where else in the word does it say or imply that "born of water" is baptizim? To clarify I dont have any opinion on this..(well, I am willing to lay it down if I do). I do desire more clarity tho. Scripture interprets Scripture (we can agree to that), so there has to be either with a picture in the OT, or something more clear in the NT concerning this matter referring to baptisim and this paticular ref.

Not only that ruck, this thread has suggested that the christian baptism that was done after christs resurection is the same as the baptism that christ recieved. This is not true. Christ received a different one.

Seconly christ was not baptised as someone suggested in the same manner as christians are. he again was baptised starting his ministry and before he was crucified and resurected and took on the sins of the world.

Third, his diciples were not baptised in the same manner as they never received the Holy Spirit! Think about it! The holy spirit didn't come until christ was gone.