Salvation question

[graymousey]

"gray to be honest with you, it is best you make time to read the New Testament.

you will have people on both sides claiming what is right.

to come to a forum and ask then your going to get both answers. ... 3xR0c|<stAr"

Exrock, you are mistaken here. I don't want anybody's opinion. I want to know why people claim what they claim. Where do they take their belief from? How did they arrive to the conclusion what they believe now.

The question of baptism is a problem for me. I used to think, that baptism was not needed for salvation, that it was only a step of obedience, and that it shows publically what already happened between God and man. But now I think I was wrong in all that, and this is the reason I ask the question.

[Guest]

The question of baptism is a problem for me. I used to think, that baptism was not needed for salvation, that it was only a step of obedience, and that it shows publicly what already happened between God and man. But now I think I was wrong in all that, and this is the reason I ask the question.

For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2

Sometimes Brother Paul just slays me with his pointed wit!

I believe we have a few threads covering this subject of Salvation by Grace and the works of man and such!

The folks doing the discussions and teachings are a lot sharper then this old guy but.... I still have The Bible and the Spirit of The Living God and, maybe, I can share a few thoughts to help. Maybe Not.

I Welcome you sister

I would like to share with you a short personal study I did on H2O and The Blood shed for the redemption of sin.

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28

By the way, The Mike here is a "Oness" believer and I dearly love him and pray we'll sing to our KING together before His Throne.

The Rick here is a "Church of Christ" member, marred to the preacher's daughter, an ex-US sailor like me and yet another brother I dearly love and support in a small ministry God has him and his wife in.

I looked and I looked and I pondered and I prayed.

This is almost too wonderful to see!

A big "Thank You" to my brother Rick for pushing me into a search of God's Word for a deeper understanding!

BAPTIZE

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[exrockstar]

Exrock, you are mistaken here. I don't want anybody's opinion. I want to know why people claim what they claim. Where do they take their belief from? How did they arrive to the conclusion what they believe now.

The question of baptism is a problem for me. I used to think, that baptism was not needed for salvation, that it was only a step of obedience, and that it shows publically what already happened between God and man. But now I think I was wrong in all that, and this is the reason I ask the question.

ok here is me belief. i'd appreciate everyone respects it as i will respect theirs.

A lot of this information is usually revealed through study and chronology.

so we have the initial quote that people pro-water baptism quote:

This is said around 33AD by Christ

Mark 16:

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (note: Christ never said if you werent baptized you were damned)

Throughout Acts you see water baptism in some instances then not.

Paul steps in the picture and is taught 3 years by Christ. (Gal 1:v12 & Gal 1:v18)

Galatians was written about 54/55 AD

1 Cor written in 55AD says " 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

It went from a water baptism to the Holy Spirit actually baptizing you into the body. that is spiritual, you CANNOT see that (Eph 1:13).

to tie it all in:

The Epistle of Peter was written 60-64AD

1 Peter 3:21

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

If you study the concept of baptism you will see that it went from a physical action performed from

a person to an action that the Holy Spirit does to someone saved.

This is not different than the way people used to literally sacrifice a lamb; which led to Christ, the Lamb of God, sacrificed for our sins.

It was an action revealing things to come.

Eph 4:4

There is one body and one Spirit

[exrockstar]

exrockstar

so which baptism is it? the water done by man to another man? or the Holy Spirits done to a new believer?

it's either/or because if you say both then that equals two when Eph 4:4 says "one."

Holy Writ says the

[Yahsway]

Jesus answered and said to him "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

The Greek word translated "AGAIN" can also be rendered "FROM ABOVE".

Jesus answered "Most assuredly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."

WATER may refer to "physical birth." The Hebrews used terms such as "WATER" and "DROP" in describing natural birth, and such an explanation fits the CONTEXT. (that which is born of the flesh is flesh) However, some see a reference to the faith that is expressed in water baptism, NOT FOR BUT BECAUSE OF SALVATION.

[exrockstar]

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned (Mark 16:16). "

its bad enough people stand their grounds on one verse but you are proving your point from half a verse.

the other half that you did not quote never said "if you are not baptized you will be damned. it says

if you do not believe.

[exrockstar]

Jesus answered and said to him "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

The Greek word translated "AGAIN" can also be rendered "FROM ABOVE".

Jesus answered "Most assuredly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."

WATER may refer to "physical birth." The Hebrews used terms such as "WATER" and "DROP" in describing natural birth, and such an explanation fits the CONTEXT. (that which is born of the flesh is flesh) However, some see a reference to the faith that is expressed in water baptism, NOT FOR BUT BECAUSE OF SALVATION.

i have read that to but i have my little quirks about that. we're on the same side though.

[graymousey]

Thanks to everybody for the replies.

I am well aware that Baptism by itself doesn't save anybody, it is not the magical way to get to heaven, and yet I am persuaded that there are prerequisites we must fulfil in order to get saved, and that Baptism is one of them. These are the prerequisits:

1. We have to recognize our sins; that we both were born with an inherited sinful nature and we haven

[kjwatts947]

I've been baptized twice in the name of the father and in the son, and in the holy ghost?

Is there a wrong way to be baptist?

I am pretty sure I'm saved. I do however feel like I lack fruits of the spirit.

Is there a certain way to receive the holy spirit?

Does having the holy spirit give you power over unclean spirits?

I though I had the holy spirit but then I thought I didn't?????????????

Sorry, I didn't answer the question but I had a question too

Pray for me that the lord will lead me in the right direction.

[exrockstar]

this is why religious people do more harm to the body than good. ... 3xR0c|<stAr