Does God love Homosexuals Too?

[Eukaryote]

Stealing and murdering usually have some perceived gain attached to them. Be it emotional or material. Aldultery is usually for emotional reasons (backstabbing, not being satisfied at home, etc.). Child pornography? That's a curious one. To the best of my knowledge not much research has been carried out to discern its cause.

However homosexuality has no real or perceived benefits so logically it makes no sense to choose it.

[Guest shiloh357]

Stealing and murdering usually have some perceived gain attached to them. Be it emotional or material. Aldultery is usually for emotional reasons (backstabbing, not being satisfied at home, etc.). Child pornography? That's a curious one. To the best of my knowledge not much research has been carried out to discern its cause.

However homosexuality has no real or perceived benefits so logically it makes no sense to choose it.

Oh, I see... Homosexuality has NO perceived benefits????? Please.... and you want to talk about "common sense"? How about the perceived benefits of companionship, "love," friendship, sexual gratification, etc.???

The fact is people foolishly choose that abominble lifestyle on the grounds of what they perceive will be the benefits they will gain from it.

[Eukaryote]

If a man/woman is straight why would they choose to be homosexual when they could simply find those things in women/men?

Edited October 18, 2008 by Eukaryote

[Guest shiloh357]

If a person is straight why would they choose to be homosexual when they could simply find those things in women?

Because human nature is not rational. Why do married men in healthy marriages still look for gratification in other women? Why do people who are gainfully employed with money in their pocket still try to shoplift?

The reason is spiritual. Man is a sinner. As a result of that His nature is to sin. The sinful nature of man is at enmity with God. It hates God and is complete rebellion against Him.

Lots of other excuses are used to mask the real problem. The problem is further complicated by the fact that even Christians are not immune from any temptation. That is why the flesh wars against the spirit. We don't necessarily war against the same things, some people wrestle with things like alchohol, abuse, drugs, porno and such. Man's flesh is powerful.

God says however, that these things are sins and homosexuality is no exception.

[Eukaryote]

Why do married men in healthy marriages still look for gratification in other women?

Maybe they enjoy the thrill. Maybe they're unfaithful by nature. Maybe they feel entitled to have multiple lovers.

Why do people who are gainfully employed with money in their pocket still try to shoplift?

Because a lot of people cannot control their innate greed. Or maybe they don't make as much as they'd like to (which, sort of, ties in with the aforementioned point). Or maybe they're just kleptomaniacs.

The reason is spiritual.

Which presupposes that there are no rational answers to these questions when, in fact, there are. It's much simpler than you make it out to be.

So, can we return, yet again, to the question of homosexuality as a choice?

Edited October 18, 2008 by Eukaryote

[brojohn1611]

God loves ALL. if he didnt then He wouldnt have sent Jesus now would He?

Jesus didnt come for the perfect and right before God. He came for the sinner. He will leave 99 sheep to go find that one lost one.

read Romans 1:24-28

[Guest shiloh357]

Why do married men in healthy marriages still look for gratification in other women?

Maybe they enjoy the thrill. Maybe they're unfaithful by nature. Maybe they feel entitled to have multiple lovers.

Why do people who are gainfully employed with money in their pocket still try to shoplift?

Because a lot of people cannot control their innate greed. Or maybe they don't make as much as they'd like to (which, sort of, ties in with the aforementioned point). Or maybe they're just kleptomaniacs.

The reason is spiritual.

Which presupposes that there are no rational answers to these questions when, in fact, there are. It's much simpler than you make it out to be.

No, I gave the only rational answer there is and it is man's separation from God, and his own innate sinfulness that drives him to commit sin.

My responses above were meant to show you that homosexuality is no more rational than people who commit sin even when there are no external conditions that would make such sins appear more attractive. They do what they do because human nature is sinful and sin is a part of man from birth.

Man is innately evil. We have to teach children to share, not to fight, not to be cruel to animals and such. We have to teach manners and values. We have to teach children not to lie, steal, cheat, and so forth. discpline has to be learned. It is not innate in human nature.

So, can we return, yet again, to the question of homosexuality as a choice?

I never left that issue. My whole point is that homosexuality is no different than any other sin. It is choice made. The reasons may be different, but it still boils down to choice. It boils down to open rebellion against the revealed Will of God.

[Guest HIS girl]

And what about straight men who molest young girls? Are they not as equally deserving of condemnation?

The line between homosexuality and paedophilia is no more blurred than the line between heterosexuality and paedophilia. They are completely different things.

There are MANY cases where male homosexuals have made a CHOICE to refrain from that kind of behaviour.

And I'm sure there have been many cases where male heterosexuals have chosen to refrain from molesting young children (both male and female). Is there a point to all this?

The point is - it IS a choice. Everything we do is a choice. Either beneficial or not, it's choices.

[Guest HIS girl]

One can choose to molest children or not to, which we have established. One cannot choose to be homosexual. The two are not related.

That is not fact. If it were fact, we would NOT be having this discussion.

[Guest HIS girl]

Common sense would suggest otherwise.

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual, considering the persecution that has come with it throughout history.

Because satan the father of lies DISTORTS the Truth so it "seems" acceptable.