for those that believe you can lose your salvation

[exrockstar]

Hi ruck,

ex is trying to use this passage to somehow support OSAS. He is misinterpreting it. If you read from the beginning of the chapter, it is clear that Paul is refering to those who are teaching the Gospel to the Corinthians. ex is trying to make it say something that just isn't there.

What's at issue is not who is a temple of the Holy Spirit.

If we teach the Gospel, we are responsible to teach it truthfully and responsibly---or we will be judged accordingly.

Peace,

Fiosh

from what i gather in your responses, i think we are in two seperate paths in our walk.

it's beyond OSAS.

not saying youre right or im right but we are in two different paths.

[Fiosh]

Hi ruck,

ex is trying to use this passage to somehow support OSAS. He is misinterpreting it. If you read from the beginning of the chapter, it is clear that Paul is refering to those who are teaching the Gospel to the Corinthians. ex is trying to make it say something that just isn't there.

What's at issue is not who is a temple of the Holy Spirit.

If we teach the Gospel, we are responsible to teach it truthfully and responsibly---or we will be judged accordingly.

Peace,

Fiosh

from what i gather in your responses, i think we are in two seperate paths in our walk.

it's beyond OSAS.

not saying youre right or im right but we are in two different paths.

Interesting response.

So we will just let it drop without you responding to any of those passages I cited? Ok with me.

Peace to you brother,

F

[ColleenLovesMischief]

In reading thru this thread, it seems that those who hold the OSAS theology claim that we have NOTHING whatsoever to do with our own salvation. Am I understanding that correctly?

This is NOT to say that we can earn salvation. We all agree that salvation is only possible thru Jesus' death on the Cross.

i know you just posted a lot of scripture but take this one and see how it fits in to all those beautiful passages you just presented.

eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

It fits perfectly, ex. I stated at the outset that we are saved by grace---by Jesus' sacrifice on the cross. Read verse 10. We also have to WALK IN THEM (good works).

Peace,

Fiosh

Not necessacarily good works, but faithfulness. Fufilling what God wants us to do. Works without faith are dead. And if you so choose that gift of salvation canbe handed back to God, but no one can take it from you. And you cannot lose it by mistakes.

[dugmando]

Hello ex,

I thank God that we have the opportunity to express each of us our varied opinions.

You and I and All are provided that great blessing by a Most Gracious God.

But Brother here's the problem with discussing this and the many other doctrinal issue we disagree on, we tend to believe what we believe and vehemently defend our stances, and it is rare we will ever convince one another otherwise.

I am not saying this has happened here but feelings are easily offended and Brothers and Sisters hurt, NOT GOOD satan wins.

Good Biblical study and discussion must be just that, Amen?

I think if you study all of her posts you can easily see what LadyC was saying about God

Salvation and Grace are Gifts from God.

Your own Scripture post says so:

eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Not that she was denying the need for Jesus or that she is saved by God.

I think you realized what she was saying but for the sake of arguing...

Jesus by His Actions provides Payment for sin and God by His Actions accepts Jesus Payment and cancels our debt.

Without both Actions are we Forgiven and Saved?

Now enlighten me Brother and any others feel free to respond.

Simple question when Adam originally brought sin into this world did he sin against Jesus or God or both?

Please I know I am a newbie here but IMHO should not we always edify, lift up, enligthen and teach one another is that not a purpose of this board?

Dugmando

[Fiosh]

In reading thru this thread, it seems that those who hold the OSAS theology claim that we have NOTHING whatsoever to do with our own salvation. Am I understanding that correctly?

This is NOT to say that we can earn salvation. We all agree that salvation is only possible thru Jesus' death on the Cross.

i know you just posted a lot of scripture but take this one and see how it fits in to all those beautiful passages you just presented.

eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

It fits perfectly, ex. I stated at the outset that we are saved by grace---by Jesus' sacrifice on the cross. Read verse 10. We also have to WALK IN THEM (good works).

Peace,

Fiosh

Not necessacarily good works, but faithfulness. Fufilling what God wants us to do. Works without faith are dead. And if you so choose that gift of salvation canbe handed back to God, but no one can take it from you. And you cannot lose it by mistakes.

Just to clarify---the parenthetical "good works" refers to the object in vs. 10. The phrase "walk in them" is refering back to the statement "created in Christ Jesus unto good works". The them being the good works.

Or maybe that just made it more confusing.

Anyway, thanks for your comment, GodsLove!

[Guest LadyC]

thank you, dugmando. i'm still quite perturbed that exrockstar was implying that i am not saved, and that i'm of a lesser character than Ghandi, all because he disagrees with me on a doctrinal issue.

anyway, to answer your question, i'm going to provide one scripture... which ex may also want to take into consideration with what i have previously posted.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." John 1:1-5

Jesus existed long before He walked on this earth.

[Fiosh]

Hello ex,

I thank God that we have the opportunity to express each of us our varied opinions.

You and I and All are provided that great blessing by a Most Gracious God.

But Brother here's the problem with discussing this and the many other doctrinal issue we disagree on, we tend to believe what we believe and vehemently defend our stances, and it is rare we will ever convince one another otherwise.

I am not saying this has happened here but feelings are easily offended and Brothers and Sisters hurt, NOT GOOD satan wins.

Good Biblical study and discussion must be just that, Amen?

I think if you study all of her posts you can easily see what LadyC was saying about God

Salvation and Grace are Gifts from God.

Your own Scripture post says so:

eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Not that she was denying the need for Jesus or that she is saved by God.

I think you realized what she was saying but for the sake of arguing...

Jesus by His Actions provides Payment for sin and God by His Actions accepts Jesus Payment and cancels our debt.

Without both Actions are we Forgiven and Saved?

Now enlighten me Brother and any others feel free to respond.

Simple question when Adam originally brought sin into this world did he sin against Jesus or God or both?

Please I know I am a newbie here but IMHO should not we always edify, lift up, enligthen and teach one another is that not a purpose of this board?

Dugmando

You make some good ponts, Dugmando. And welcome to Worthy!

[exrockstar]

Not that she was denying the need for Jesus or that she is saved by God.

I think you realized what she was saying but for the sake of arguing...

Jesus by His Actions provides Payment for sin and God by His Actions accepts Jesus Payment and cancels our debt.

Without both Actions are we Forgiven and Saved?

we need both actions. If we only had a relationship with God the Father then we would NEVER make it to heaven. We wold all perish.

Jesus Christ paid on behalf for anyone that believes in Him. John 3:16

That is it. Plain and simple.

Paul preached it and the Pharisees wrestled with it.

However, there is a stickler. WE DONT KNOW IF WE ARE SAVED. There is not a bulb on everyones head that says "I am saved."

So by faith we do works in behalf of Jesus name.

I believe, I accept, I will do works in His name. I dont need to tell anyone. I can be quiet about it and dont need to boast.

That is faith. Believing in something that is not seen.

As for Adam and Eve...sir that is a deep question.

Reason I said that is because there is a deal in that story that very few go into.

Adam did sin. Yes it was against God, Jesus and Holy Spirit.

There was a raw deal. They all new Adam would sin.

They created man, they put a tree right there in the garden and they knew they would eat.

That my friend...is where us theologians (in my case future one) step into.

We understand why They did that and explore it through scripture.

In the future, if you ever are interested we can chat about it sometime.

[dugmando]

Hi LadyC,

God bless and Thank God you feel the way you do, A person can become offended and preturbed about many different silly things I know I do most oftento my shame. But of all things to stand up for and if I may say fight for.

This that God has done for us, We must defend God's Grace given to us.

I only hope that I can and will be as bold as Paul when he told the Corinthians in Ch 15 v10 & 11 But by The Grace of God, I AM WHAT I AM: and His Grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain:but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the Grace of God which was with me.

Therefore whether it were I or they so we preach and so you believed.

Paul was rightfully proud of who he was in Christ!!! Rightful enough to defend at any cost!!

But back to the question, I think what I really am saying is sin, it is an offense against God. If we sin against God payment must be made to whom? God, correct?

Or Jesus?

Dugmando

[Guest LadyC]

hmmm... i suppose the only way i could answer that is that restitution must be made to God, through Christ. NO man comes to the Father except through Christ, and He was the sacrifice for our iniquities...