Split: Feminisim is Anti-Christ

[OopsMartin]

Perhaps, there is a misunderstanding about the difference between the original manuscripts and translations. There are hundreds of translations. In the English language alone there are upwards of 120 different translations.

The Chicago Statement on Inerrency did a good job of clarifying this. You can probably google one online.

some excerpts.....

We offer this Statement in a spirit, not of contention, but of humility and love, which we propose by God's grace to maintain in any future dialogue arising out of what we have said. We gladly acknowledge that many who deny the inerrancy of Scripture do not display the consequences of this denial in the rest of their belief and behavior, and we are conscious that we who confess this doctrine often deny it in life by failing to bring our thoughts and deeds, our traditions and habits, into true subjection to the divine Word.

..........

I. SUMMARY STATEMENT

1. God, who is Himself Truth and speaks truth only, has inspired Holy Scripture in order thereby to reveal Himself to lost mankind through Jesus Christ as Creator and Lord, Redeemer and Judge. Holy Scripture isGod's witness to Himself.

2. Holy Scripture, being God's own Word, written by men prepared and superintended by His Spirit, is of infallible divine authority in all matters upon which it touches: It is to be believed, as God's instruction, in all that it affirms; obeyed, as God's command, in all that it requires; embraced, as God's pledge, in all that it promises.

3. The Holy Spirit, Scripture's divine Author, both authenticates it to us by His inward witness and opens our minds to understand its meaning.

4. Being wholly and verbally God-given, Scripture is without error or fault in all its teaching, no less in what it states about God's acts in creation, about the events of world history, and about its own literary origins under God, than in its witness to God's saving grace in individual lives.

5. The authority of Scripture is inescapably impaired if this total divine inerrancy is in any way limited of disregarded, or made relative to a view of truth contrary to the Bible's own; and such lapses bring serious loss to both the individual and the Church.

............

Article II.

We affirm that the Scriptures are the supreme written norm by which God binds the conscience, and that the authority of the Church is subordinate to that of Scripture.

We deny that church creeds, councils, or declarations have authority greater than or equal to the authority of the Bible.

...............

Article IV.

We affirm that God who made mankind in His image has used language as a means of revelation.

We deny that human language is so limited by our creatureliness that it is rendered inadequate as a vehicle for divine revelation. We further deny that the corruption of human culture and language through sin has thwarted God's work of inspiration.

.................

Article VIII.

We affirm that God in His work of inspiration utilized the distinctive personalities and literary styles of the writers whom He had chosen and prepared.

We deny that God, in causing these writers to use the very words that He chose, overrode their personalities.

...............

Article X.

We affirm that inspiration, strictly speaking, applies only to the autographic text of Scripture, which in the providence of God can be ascertained from available manuscripts with great accuracy. We further affirm that copies and translations of Scripture are the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original.

We deny that any essential element of the Christian faith is affected by the absence of the autographs. We further deny that this absence renders the assertion of Biblical inerrancy invalid or irrelevant.

....... and so on, there is more to it.

Hope that helps. It's good to read the entire statement. They cover it pretty well.

[apothanein kerdos]

Perhaps, there is a misunderstanding about the difference between the original manuscripts and translations. There are hundreds of translations. In the English language alone there are upwards of 120 different translations.

The Chicago Statement on Inerrency did a good job of clarifying this. You can probably google one online.

some excerpts.....

We offer this Statement in a spirit, not of contention, but of humility and love, which we propose by God's grace to maintain in any future dialogue arising out of what we have said. We gladly acknowledge that many who deny the inerrancy of Scripture do not display the consequences of this denial in the rest of their belief and behavior, and we are conscious that we who confess this doctrine often deny it in life by failing to bring our thoughts and deeds, our traditions and habits, into true subjection to the divine Word.

..........

I. SUMMARY STATEMENT

1. God, who is Himself Truth and speaks truth only, has inspired Holy Scripture in order thereby to reveal Himself to lost mankind through Jesus Christ as Creator and Lord, Redeemer and Judge. Holy Scripture isGod's witness to Himself.

2. Holy Scripture, being God's own Word, written by men prepared and superintended by His Spirit, is of infallible divine authority in all matters upon which it touches: It is to be believed, as God's instruction, in all that it affirms; obeyed, as God's command, in all that it requires; embraced, as God's pledge, in all that it promises.

3. The Holy Spirit, Scripture's divine Author, both authenticates it to us by His inward witness and opens our minds to understand its meaning.

4. Being wholly and verbally God-given, Scripture is without error or fault in all its teaching, no less in what it states about God's acts in creation, about the events of world history, and about its own literary origins under God, than in its witness to God's saving grace in individual lives.

5. The authority of Scripture is inescapably impaired if this total divine inerrancy is in any way limited of disregarded, or made relative to a view of truth contrary to the Bible's own; and such lapses bring serious loss to both the individual and the Church.

............

Article II.

We affirm that the Scriptures are the supreme written norm by which God binds the conscience, and that the authority of the Church is subordinate to that of Scripture.

We deny that church creeds, councils, or declarations have authority greater than or equal to the authority of the Bible.

...............

Article IV.

We affirm that God who made mankind in His image has used language as a means of revelation.

We deny that human language is so limited by our creatureliness that it is rendered inadequate as a vehicle for divine revelation. We further deny that the corruption of human culture and language through sin has thwarted God's work of inspiration.

.................

Article VIII.

We affirm that God in His work of inspiration utilized the distinctive personalities and literary styles of the writers whom He had chosen and prepared.

We deny that God, in causing these writers to use the very words that He chose, overrode their personalities.

...............

Article X.

We affirm that inspiration, strictly speaking, applies only to the autographic text of Scripture, which in the providence of God can be ascertained from available manuscripts with great accuracy. We further affirm that copies and translations of Scripture are the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original.

We deny that any essential element of the Christian faith is affected by the absence of the autographs. We further deny that this absence renders the assertion of Biblical inerrancy invalid or irrelevant.

....... and so on, there is more to it.

Hope that helps. It's good to read the entire statement. They cover it pretty well.

One of my "heroes of the faith" was involved on that (Francis Schaeffer).

[OopsMartin]

One of my "heroes of the faith" was involved on that (Francis Schaeffer).

Yes, I've appreciated him also. Heard him speak once or twice many many years ago. He get's deep. Loved it.

[exrockstar]

So then...Jesus will marry a literal city. That cannot be true. The New Jerusalem is the church.

Anyway, I just wanted to get that little bit in. I don't want to detract from the purpose of this thread at all. Let's leave it.

The "church" will inhabit the New Jerusalem.

Description of the city are in Rev and in Isaiah.

sorry to sidetrack.

[None]

Perhaps, there is a misunderstanding about the difference between the original manuscripts and translations. There are hundreds of translations. In the English language alone there are upwards of 120 different translations.

The Chicago Statement on Inerrency did a good job of clarifying this. You can probably google one online.

some excerpts.....

We offer this Statement in a spirit, not of contention, but of humility and love, which we propose by God's grace to maintain in any future dialogue arising out of what we have said. We gladly acknowledge that many who deny the inerrancy of Scripture do not display the consequences of this denial in the rest of their belief and behavior, and we are conscious that we who confess this doctrine often deny it in life by failing to bring our thoughts and deeds, our traditions and habits, into true subjection to the divine Word.

..........

I. SUMMARY STATEMENT

1. God, who is Himself Truth and speaks truth only, has inspired Holy Scripture in order thereby to reveal Himself to lost mankind through Jesus Christ as Creator and Lord, Redeemer and Judge. Holy Scripture isGod's witness to Himself.

2. Holy Scripture, being God's own Word, written by men prepared and superintended by His Spirit, is of infallible divine authority in all matters upon which it touches: It is to be believed, as God's instruction, in all that it affirms; obeyed, as God's command, in all that it requires; embraced, as God's pledge, in all that it promises.

3. The Holy Spirit, Scripture's divine Author, both authenticates it to us by His inward witness and opens our minds to understand its meaning.

4. Being wholly and verbally God-given, Scripture is without error or fault in all its teaching, no less in what it states about God's acts in creation, about the events of world history, and about its own literary origins under God, than in its witness to God's saving grace in individual lives.

5. The authority of Scripture is inescapably impaired if this total divine inerrancy is in any way limited of disregarded, or made relative to a view of truth contrary to the Bible's own; and such lapses bring serious loss to both the individual and the Church.

............

Article II.

We affirm that the Scriptures are the supreme written norm by which God binds the conscience, and that the authority of the Church is subordinate to that of Scripture.

We deny that church creeds, councils, or declarations have authority greater than or equal to the authority of the Bible.

...............

Article IV.

We affirm that God who made mankind in His image has used language as a means of revelation.

We deny that human language is so limited by our creatureliness that it is rendered inadequate as a vehicle for divine revelation. We further deny that the corruption of human culture and language through sin has thwarted God's work of inspiration.

.................

Article VIII.

We affirm that God in His work of inspiration utilized the distinctive personalities and literary styles of the writers whom He had chosen and prepared.

We deny that God, in causing these writers to use the very words that He chose, overrode their personalities.

...............

Article X.

We affirm that inspiration, strictly speaking, applies only to the autographic text of Scripture, which in the providence of God can be ascertained from available manuscripts with great accuracy. We further affirm that copies and translations of Scripture are the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original.

We deny that any essential element of the Christian faith is affected by the absence of the autographs. We further deny that this absence renders the assertion of Biblical inerrancy invalid or irrelevant.

....... and so on, there is more to it.

Hope that helps. It's good to read the entire statement. They cover it pretty well.

Thank you, Oops, because I was really beginning to wonder about some things. I just don't like the idea of God, with a big smiling face, smashing babies. The thought really breaks my heart and I was hoping David was exaggerating a little bit, as was a common practice among prophets(hyperbole).

[OopsMartin]

Thank you, Oops, because I was really beginning to wonder about some things. I just don't like the idea of God, with a big smiling face, smashing babies. The thought really breaks my heart and I was hoping David was exaggerating a little bit, as was a common practice among prophets(hyperbole).

Hi None. Since I haven't been following your conversation on this, I've no idea what you are talking about.

There are a lot of difficult things in Scripture to understand. While for the most part most translations are pretty close to right on to the original manuscripts in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, there are bits here and there that theologians travail over translating.

But my guess is that you are not having trouble with translations but some sections of historical accounts. What in particular are you having trouble with.

[apothanein kerdos]

Thank you, Oops, because I was really beginning to wonder about some things. I just don't like the idea of God, with a big smiling face, smashing babies. The thought really breaks my heart and I was hoping David was exaggerating a little bit, as was a common practice among prophets(hyperbole).

How does the Chicago statement validate your belief though? The Chicago statement states that Scripture is inspired and contains within it no errors.

[None]

...I've no idea what you are talking about.

I suppose you're refering to when I said:

I just don't like the idea of God, with a big smiling face, smashing babies. The thought really breaks my heart and I was hoping David was exaggerating a little bit, as was a common practice among prophets(hyperbole).

I was speaking of these verses:

Psalm 137:8-9

8)O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,

happy is he who repays you

for what you have done to us-

9)he who seizes your infants

and dashes them against the rocks.

Ezekiel 18:23

23)Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD.

Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

They both assume to know exactly how God feels about killing.

David says, "happy is He..."

whereas Ezekiel says,"Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked?"

Clearly a contradicting of emotions in how God feels about death, whether innocent children or wicked men.

The Chicago statement doesn't "validate" my belief, AK, it simply clarified the issues of personalities affecting scriptures.

[Emily~Anne]

So your argument is since God clearly does not take enjoyment in the death of the wicked, that Noah's Ark and etc. must have never occured?

Look at it this way, I dont take any enjoyment in disciplining my kids. But does this mean I do not discipline them? Of course not!

[None]

How did you, E.A., confuse emotion with documented event accuracy?

I never said it didn't happen, only that God didn't enjoy it.