Immigration Bill a piece of *Garbage*

[kat8585]

If after being investigated the family has found to be obeying the laws, and fitting into society, I think we should figure out a way for them to stay

That's just it--they are breaking the law by being here.

[apothanein kerdos]

If a legal business man steals, he SHOULD be prosecuted. If a legal business man cheats on his taxes and lies, he SHOULD be prosecuted.

You can't just ignore the difference between the wicked business man and the illegal immigrant.

The business man is here in this country LEGALLY!He has a RIGHT to be here.

The illegal immigrant is not.He has to follow our laws to come here.

If you dont like the laws then try and change them but you cant break the laws that you dont agree with.

Yeah. Let a legal citizen try breaking a law he doesn't like, such as paying confisatory taxes, and see how far he gets!

He usually moves up the corporate chain, and someone below him goes to jail.

[childofthegreat_i_am]

He usually moves up the corporate chain, and someone below him goes to jail.

you got that right

[kat8585]

Ah, so it's okay and morally justified to lay people off to increase your salary, create scapegoats so you don't have to go to jail, fire people before they hit retirement so you can save money, and do other unethical practices...so long as you're legal?

I'm simply saying - if you're going to levy charges against illegal immigrants, make sure no one else is committing the same unethical practices.

So, if a person is brown, illegal, and poor, it's wrong. If a person is white, legal, and rich, it's okay?

No, of course this is not right. But do 2 wrongs make a right? Should we make it worse by bringing in another whole set of problems?

[Scarletprayers]

If after being investigated the family has found to be obeying the laws, and fitting into society, I think we should figure out a way for them to stay

That's just it--they are breaking the law by being here.

What ever kat, but have you thought about how much money it would take to deport them all, I mean really...................we will be bankrupt.

[Giaour]

My whole point is that it's ridiculous how people get so upset about illegals "taking our jobs" when a CEO will nix 5,000 jobs in one day in order to increase his salary and stock.

Well, at least the CEO is a legal citizen.

If a legal business man steals, he SHOULD be prosecuted. If a legal business man cheats on his taxes and lies, he SHOULD be prosecuted.

You can't just ignore the difference between the wicked business man and the illegal immigrant.

The business man is here in this country LEGALLY!He has a RIGHT to be here.

The illegal immigrant is not.He has to follow our laws to come here.

If you dont like the laws then try and change them but you cant break the laws that you dont agree with.

Ah, so it's okay and morally justified to lay people off to increase your salary, create scapegoats so you don't have to go to jail, fire people before they hit retirement so you can save money, and do other unethical practices...so long as you're legal?

I'm simply saying - if you're going to levy charges against illegal immigrants, make sure no one else is committing the same unethical practices.

So, if a person is brown, illegal, and poor, it's wrong. If a person is white, legal, and rich, it's okay?

I didnt say ANY of that.

You sure like to twist things.

This is what I said.

"If a legal business man steals, he SHOULD be prosecuted. If a legal business man cheats on his taxes and lies, he SHOULD be prosecuted."

I am against anyone that steps over others to get ahead. Those who lie cheat steal regardless of whether they are illegals or not.

I find both scenarios deplorable.

[apothanein kerdos]

Ah, so it's okay and morally justified to lay people off to increase your salary, create scapegoats so you don't have to go to jail, fire people before they hit retirement so you can save money, and do other unethical practices...so long as you're legal?

I'm simply saying - if you're going to levy charges against illegal immigrants, make sure no one else is committing the same unethical practices.

So, if a person is brown, illegal, and poor, it's wrong. If a person is white, legal, and rich, it's okay?

No, of course this is not right. But do 2 wrongs make a right? Should we make it worse by bringing in another whole set of problems?

My point is, which everyone is ignoring for good reason (it really does disprove a few of your reasons against illegal immigration), if you're going to get mad at illegal aliens for taking minimum wage jobs (which, there is still a shortage of employees for these jobs...), lying about their status, lying to move up in a job, putting themselves before others in seeking a better life...then you should REALLY direct your anger toward corporate America, who does this on a bigger scale.

It's like being against abortion, but trying to pass a law that says anyone between the ages of 40-60 and with a home income of less than $40,000 can't get an abortion. If you're against abortion, then ban it across the board, or go after the biggest perpetrators of it.

Likewise, if you're against lying, cheating your way to the top, and things of this nature, then ban it across the board or go after the major causes of it. Illegal immigrants would not fall into this category.

Being against illegal immigration because it's illegal, Giaour's first point, makes sense. The following three, however, don't make sense because what she listed occurs on a daily basis. It will always occur so long as we wish to keep a Capitalist system. I, for one, wish to keep such a system. Thus, though I think it's unethical for businesses to operate that way, I'll simply choose not to take my business to these companies. However, since I'm against passing laws of this nature, or at least I don't foresee them being passed, I don't see why I should let them find their way into my opposition to illegal immigration.

[apothanein kerdos]

My whole point is that it's ridiculous how people get so upset about illegals "taking our jobs" when a CEO will nix 5,000 jobs in one day in order to increase his salary and stock.

Well, at least the CEO is a legal citizen.

If a legal business man steals, he SHOULD be prosecuted. If a legal business man cheats on his taxes and lies, he SHOULD be prosecuted.

You can't just ignore the difference between the wicked business man and the illegal immigrant.

The business man is here in this country LEGALLY!He has a RIGHT to be here.

The illegal immigrant is not.He has to follow our laws to come here.

If you dont like the laws then try and change them but you cant break the laws that you dont agree with.

Ah, so it's okay and morally justified to lay people off to increase your salary, create scapegoats so you don't have to go to jail, fire people before they hit retirement so you can save money, and do other unethical practices...so long as you're legal?

I'm simply saying - if you're going to levy charges against illegal immigrants, make sure no one else is committing the same unethical practices.

So, if a person is brown, illegal, and poor, it's wrong. If a person is white, legal, and rich, it's okay?

I didnt say ANY of that.

You sure like to twist things.

This is what I said.

"If a legal business man steals, he SHOULD be prosecuted. If a legal business man cheats on his taxes and lies, he SHOULD be prosecuted."

I am against anyone that steps over others to get ahead. Those who lie cheat steal regardless of whether they are illegals or not.

I find both scenarios deplorable.

Then why say:

The business man is here in this country LEGALLY!

?

That should be completely irrelevant when comparing the two. Ethically, they are doing the same thing...so why are you so adamant about punishing one but not the other?

[childofthegreat_i_am]

My point is, which everyone is ignoring for good reason (it really does disprove a few of your reasons against illegal immigration), if you're going to get mad at illegal aliens for taking minimum wage jobs (which, there is still a shortage of employees for these jobs...), lying about their status, lying to move up in a job, putting themselves before others in seeking a better life...then you should REALLY direct your anger toward corporate America, who does this on a bigger scale.

It's like being against abortion, but trying to pass a law that says anyone between the ages of 40-60 and with a home income of less than $40,000 can't get an abortion. If you're against abortion, then ban it across the board, or go after the biggest perpetrators of it.

Likewise, if you're against lying, cheating your way to the top, and things of this nature, then ban it across the board or go after the major causes of it. Illegal immigrants would not fall into this category.

Being against illegal immigration because it's illegal, Giaour's first point, makes sense. The following three, however, don't make sense because what she listed occurs on a daily basis. It will always occur so long as we wish to keep a Capitalist system. I, for one, wish to keep such a system. Thus, though I think it's unethical for businesses to operate that way, I'll simply choose not to take my business to these companies. However, since I'm against passing laws of this nature, or at least I don't foresee them being passed, I don't see why I should let them find their way into my opposition to illegal immigration.

kudos! I think you've got it right there!

[apothanein kerdos]

If after being investigated the family has found to be obeying the laws, and fitting into society, I think we should figure out a way for them to stay

That's just it--they are breaking the law by being here.

What ever kat, but have you thought about how much money it would take to deport them all, I mean really...................we will be bankrupt.

Which is why I think issuing a fine to those that have been decent people while here is acceptable. Hey, more money for us.