God's Love: Conditional or Unconditional?

[endure4salvation]

I am back!!!!!!!

There are times when I can't log in for a few days for some reason. George says to re-boot, but it still took a few days.

Anyway.....

God's love IS conditional based upon our obedience. If we turn away from God, he will no longer love us.

Reference Hosea 9:10-15

[WayneB]

I would love to launch into a discussion about the mystery of the hardening of hearts and blinding of the eyes for God's greater purpose as we see in Romans 11 concerning Israel.

But-- I don't feel that the scriptures that I have been putting forth in previous posts for the sake of discussion are being addressed or responded to.  I am really interested to hear folks explain some of the scriptures and questions that I have put forth.

Sister OneAccord, Maybe if we took one chapter of Scripture at a time? I tried to do just that with the Grapevine thread. I don't like to respond when folks misuse Scripture by throwing a lot of it back and forth just to prove their point. Scripture should not be misused or argued over. We should take it one chapter at a time and study it in context with the entire Word and the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Also, haven't I answered all your questions put forth to me? Did I miss any?

Y'all do what you want though.

Blessings,

Wayne

[His son]

And God says:

Ps 145:10

10 All thy works shall praise thee, O LORD; and thy saints shall bless thee.

(KJV)

John 5:25

25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

(KJV)

Col 1:23

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to EVERY CREATURE which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

(KJV)

1 Pet 3:19-20

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

(KJV)

1 Pet 4:6

6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

(KJV)

Dosn't require anything else, God is no respecter of persons.

[gop_jeff]

God's love IS conditional based upon our obedience. If we turn away from God, he will no longer love us.

Reference Hosea 9:10-15

Here is that passage:

"10Like grapes in the wilderness, I found Israel.

Like the first fruit on the fig tree in its first season, I saw your fathers.

But they came to Baal-peor and consecrated themselves to the thing of shame, and became detestable like the thing they loved.

11Ephraim's glory shall fly away like a bird-- no birth, no pregnancy, no conception!

12Even if they bring up children, I will bereave them till none is left.

Woe to them when I depart from them!

13Ephraim, as I have seen, was like a young palm planted in a meadow; but Ephraim must lead his children out to slaughter.

14Give them, O LORD-- what will you give?

Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

15Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal; there I began to hate them.

Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of my house.

I will love them no more; all their princes are rebels."

It says that "I will love them no more." Does that mean that God quits caring for us? Or does it mean that God will quit actively showing love towards those who, like this passage, have turned their backs on God and chased after other gods, committing wickedness in so doing? I think it's the latter. Elsewhere, Gods says that "he who comes to me, I will in no way cast out." So if we repent, God will certainly show love towards us again - as most of the OT prophets proclaimed.

[His son]

Ps 139:8

8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

(KJV)

God's love will always be there. But our freewill choices can cause Him to stop acting out His love for us.

Judg 10:13

13 Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.

(KJV)

[OneAccord]

God's love IS conditional based upon our obedience. If we turn away from God, he will no longer love us.

Tell that to the suicidal manic depressive minister in the psych ward desperately in need of God's UNFAILING love whose testimony I quoted at the beginning of this thread.

I would be curious what your defintion of Agape Love is.

His son:

Great scriptures, but what point are you trying to make with them?

[OneAccord]

God's love will always be there. But our freewill choices can cause Him to stop acting out His love for us.

I think that God's love will always be there because He IS love, and that our freewill choices may cause Him to put trials into our lives for chastening in order to bring us back to Him, always for our certain good.

[His son]

God's love will always be there. But our freewill choices can cause Him to stop acting out His love for us.

I think that God's love will always be there because He IS love, and that our freewill choices may cause Him to put trials into our lives for chastening in order to bring us back to Him, always for our certain good.

You should respond to the whole post, which makes it clear that we can go to the point of no return as far as His action of deliverance on our behalf. And it is for sure that we will have trials which are a part of the salvation process, and He does promise that with those trials He has made a way out, and if we make the right choice we will follow that way. And when we come out we will be stronger in our relationship with Him, which is another Scripture that we have lived which tells us all things work together for good when we love God, and follow His instructions.

Rom 8:28

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

(KJV)

[Guest Calamity]

God's love IS conditional based upon our obedience. If we turn away from God, he will no longer love us.

Welcome back endure. I have to disagree with you on this. God loves us - period. He loves those that do not even believe He exists.

Rom.5

[8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

[WayneB]

God's love IS conditional based upon our obedience.  If we turn away from God, he will no longer love us.

Welcome back endure. I have to disagree with you on this. God loves us - period. He loves those that do not even believe He exists.

Rom.5

[8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Well said Calamity. I agree with you. I can't even begin to imagine how painful it is for God to be separated from His creation when they choose to follow their own carnal natures. I believe the true suffering on the cross was less flesh and more of the Spirit when Jesus was rejected by man. The physical pain Jesus experienced, as horrible as it was, was nothing when compared to the pain He suffered because of our rejection of Him. I can't even begin to understand His Love for His creation.