Original Sin

[Thaddaeus]

dugmando,

I agree and thank you for your discourse it has been very interesting to say the least!

But still have questions about the conditions of the Soul and Spirit because I do believe that what we shall become is what God intends for us to be all along but also because of our free will it must have to be accomplished as it has.

And I thank you also for your participation and thoughts. I think you are also correct in the above statement. God will achieve His plan, you can be sure of that.

[4Pillars]

Well, if you are talking about Physical Death, of course (except Enoch who was translated ), as I have stated before, NO flesh and blood can enter the kingdom of God. Are you not glad that we are going to physically die? However, again, NO ONE dies spiritually in the image and likeness of God. Those who are born again spiritually is alive forevermore. That's why Eve is called the Mother of ALL Living. Eve was the first Lady to be Created, Eternally.

Physical death is all that we are speaking about. The sin that follows is what causes spiritual separation or spiritual death. All men were created in the Image of God. That Image was tainted by sin. But that Image was not lost. It was made whole again, was restored by Christ's work on the Cross. All men are human beings created in His Image. All men have been restored to that image. The difference comes in that most will reject being conformed to the likness of the Image. All men will live forever, but believer will live with Christ forever. That is the difference.

Dear Thaddaeus,

The physical making of Adam from the MUD becoming a natural living soul (flesh and blood) is not an image and likeness of God. The Almighty God is a Spirit WITHOUT physical shape or form.

In order to be created in the image and likeness of God, one must be CREATED spiritually in Christ

Edited June 17, 2007 by 4Pillars

[Thaddaeus]

4Pillars,

The physical making of Adam from the MUD becoming a natural living soul (flesh and blood) is not an image and likeness of God. The Almighty God is a Spirit WITHOUT physical shape or form.

But man is not JUST physical. He also has a soul. He is the combination of both material and divine.

In order to be created in the image and likeness of God, one must be CREATED spiritually in Christ

[dugmando]

Thaddeus,

I hope this makes some sense IMHO as you so correctly said:

Being spiritual simply means one is in communion with God. Adam was walking and talking with God in the Garden. He had a spiritual relationship with God.

Man was created for the sole purpose of having union and communion with God. Adam was in a spiritual union.

For adam to have any relationship at all with God it would have had to been spiritual because as we all know God is a Spirit.

But I also think physical too, first reason I think so is because of the fact that adam walked and talked with God and second reason is that The Garden was a perfect place and before the fall adam did not know sin.

By being in this Perfect Place and sinless it allowed for God and man to be in Union with one another without man perishing.

Hence the physical ability to walk and talk together.

It is interesting to consider this fact God named adam:

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam

How intimate, how personal and how spiritual their relationship had to be, for me to really know you one of the first things I need to do is learn your name because your name tells me who you are it identifies you, well who could know you better than the One who named you.

Truly God had and continues to have through our accepting Christ a deep personal relationship with us.

Doug

[Thaddaeus]

dugmando,

Just how Adam talked and walked with God is a mystery really. The Bible also states, actually Christ stated, that no man hath seen the Father. But you are correct that because of his disobedience this union was severed in the way he enjoyed before the fall. It was death and sin, that precluded man walking and talking with God.

Earlier I had also stated that God did have communion with men during the time of the OT before Christ actually entered history. He did so, knowing that Christ would enter and resolve what would have been permanent separation from God.

And what we know and understand of regeneration through faith, is precisely permitting man to once again be in union with God in this life as well as in eternity by virture of the fulfillment of His Coming. Christ is the victor over death, gave mankind immortality, eternal existance and the atonement made possible the forgiveness of sins so that we can walk and talk with God in this life as well.