Adam's Responsibility?

[Ovedya]

A husband's headship in the family is positive and negative.

On the positive side, when exercised properly headship maintains order and harmony within the family. On the negative side the father has the burden of responsibility and accountability to God.

If the husband is accountable to God for the family then we should be able to find evidence of this in Genesis. Show me then how Adam was accountable to God for THEM? Help me understand how Adam was responsible for telling Eve, 'God told me I must not eat fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

You can't argue from a vacuum. You cannot argue that Adam does not have headship over Eve because of a statement which you claim he should have said. The fact that Adam was likewise tempted to eat of the wrong fruit is proof of nothing.

Adam was made first. He had the first place in the old creation. Just as Christ has the headship over the new creation. 1 Cor. 15:45-49; Col. 1:18

[Ovedya]

See God's command was ONLY to Adam when He gave it to him. That's as plain as IT GETS. Then God told them both not to eat or touch.

Thi sis also untrue according to Scripture.

(Gen. 2:16-17)

"And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may eat freely,

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of it you shall not eat; for in the day that you eat of it you shall"

(Gen. 3:2-3)

"And the woman said to the serpent, Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die."

There is no record that God told the woman not to eat of that tree. There is no record at all that God spoke to the woman at all until He confronted them both with their transgression. It is likely that Adam instructed Eve not to eat of that tree.

[OopsMartin]

See God's command was ONLY to Adam when He gave it to him. That's as plain as IT GETS. Then God told them both not to eat or touch.

Thi sis also untrue according to Scripture.

(Gen. 2:16-17)

"And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may eat freely,

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of it you shall not eat; for in the day that you eat of it you shall"

(Gen. 3:2-3)

"And the woman said to the serpent, Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die."

There is no record that God told the woman not to eat of that tree. There is no record at all that God spoke to the woman at all until He confronted them both with their transgression. It is likely that Adam instructed Eve not to eat of that tree.

You know I used to think that too until I sat down and seriously tried to reason it out.

One, when God told Adam, God was only speaking to Adam because Eve had not yet been created and God couldn't give His plan away else Adam would not have learned his lesson about aloneness.

Two, Scripture doesn't say that Adam told Eve, and Eve doesn't say that Adam told her. We must be careful of building whole buildings on a floor that doesn't exist.

Three, Eve DOES say that God SAID to THEM (you is plural in Hebrew). I used to believe that she lied and added to the words that Adam told her or that Adam added to the words and she repeated them. But that is all assumptions built on silence.

The only thing left is to simply believe that the woman told the truth (there is no indication anywhere in Scripture that she didn't) and that God told THEM..... just as she said He did, including an added restriction not to touch.

Really it is a bigger stretch to say that she lied, when there is no evidence, or to say that Adam told her, when there is also no evidence. What we DO have is that Eve said that God said to them.

[Ovedya]

See God's command was ONLY to Adam when He gave it to him. That's as plain as IT GETS. Then God told them both not to eat or touch.

Thi sis also untrue according to Scripture.

(Gen. 2:16-17)

"And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may eat freely,

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of it you shall not eat; for in the day that you eat of it you shall"

(Gen. 3:2-3)

"And the woman said to the serpent, Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die."

There is no record that God told the woman not to eat of that tree. There is no record at all that God spoke to the woman at all until He confronted them both with their transgression. It is likely that Adam instructed Eve not to eat of that tree.

You know I used to think that too until I sat down and seriously tried to reason it out.

One, when God told Adam, God was only speaking to Adam because Eve had not yet been created and God couldn't give His plan away else Adam would not have learned his lesson about aloneness.

Two, Scripture doesn't say that Adam told Eve, and Eve doesn't say that Adam told her. We must be careful of building whole buildings on a floor that doesn't exist.

Three, Eve DOES say that God SAID to THEM (you is plural in Hebrew). I used to believe that she lied and added to the words that Adam told her or that Adam added to the words and she repeated them. But that is all assumptions built on silence.

The only thing left is to simply believe that the woman told the truth (there is no indication anywhere in Scripture that she didn't) and that God told THEM..... just as she said He did, including an added restriction not to touch.

Really it is a bigger stretch to say that she lied, when there is no evidence, or to say that Adam told her, when there is also no evidence. What we DO have is that Eve said that God said to them.

God told Adam. Adam told Eve, "God said that we. Therefore it is taken as "God told us." It does not mean that Eve lied when she said, "God told us."

Either way. If my interpretation lacks a "floor" and the other lacks a floor also, then neither must be true.

[OopsMartin]

See God's command was ONLY to Adam when He gave it to him. That's as plain as IT GETS. Then God told them both not to eat or touch.

Thi sis also untrue according to Scripture.

(Gen. 2:16-17)

"And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may eat freely,

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of it you shall not eat; for in the day that you eat of it you shall"

(Gen. 3:2-3)

"And the woman said to the serpent, Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die."

There is no record that God told the woman not to eat of that tree. There is no record at all that God spoke to the woman at all until He confronted them both with their transgression. It is likely that Adam instructed Eve not to eat of that tree.

You know I used to think that too until I sat down and seriously tried to reason it out.

One, when God told Adam, God was only speaking to Adam because Eve had not yet been created and God couldn't give His plan away else Adam would not have learned his lesson about aloneness.

Two, Scripture doesn't say that Adam told Eve, and Eve doesn't say that Adam told her. We must be careful of building whole buildings on a floor that doesn't exist.

Three, Eve DOES say that God SAID to THEM (you is plural in Hebrew). I used to believe that she lied and added to the words that Adam told her or that Adam added to the words and she repeated them. But that is all assumptions built on silence.

The only thing left is to simply believe that the woman told the truth (there is no indication anywhere in Scripture that she didn't) and that God told THEM..... just as she said He did, including an added restriction not to touch.

Really it is a bigger stretch to say that she lied, when there is no evidence, or to say that Adam told her, when there is also no evidence. What we DO have is that Eve said that God said to them.

God told Adam. Adam told Eve, "God said that we. Therefore it is taken as "God told us." It does not mean that Eve lied when she said, "God told us."

Either way. If my interpretation lacks a "floor" and the other lacks a floor also, then neither must be true.

LOL

Well, first what is Adam going to tell Eve?.... that God told him that he couldn't eat. that is what God told Adam, that "he", not they, couldn't eat. God couldn't say "they" because He had not yet formed Eve and couldn't tell Adam what He was going to do. And the Hebrew is singular "you", not plural.

So, where can we see that Adam told Eve? We cannot. When Eve says God said "you", that is the plural you, which is not the same as what God told Adam. So, we'd have to assume that Adam changed the words, but why should we. Why not just believe Eve that God said to them........ If Adam had told Eve, she more likely would have said that God said to Adam (or Adam said that God said), and then we are back with what is Adam going to tell her!

I am much more inclinded to believe the inspired grammar and words and believe that what Eve said is what happened..... God said to them together at a different time. That certainly isn't a stretch. After all God walked with them in the garden and there is no reason to believe that God didn't talk to them.

[Ovedya]

We needn't assume anything, though, if Eve took Adam's commandment as God's having told them both. If I were only one of two human beings on the earth and I had heard that God commanded something to the other, I would tend to believe that it was also commanded to me as well.

Where is the verse that says that God walked with "them" in the garden?

[exrockstar]

hey Oops, youve been studying for 35 years.

can you share with firehill how Adam sacrificed in behalf of his family?

i moved that conversation over here since this is more about Adam.

the whole caine and abel sacrificed an animal and where they learned that from.

Tell firehill about it.

[OopsMartin]

We needn't assume anything, though, if Eve took Adam's commandment as God's having told them both. If I were only one of two human beings on the earth and I had heard that God commanded something to the other, I would tend to believe that it was also commanded to me as well.

Where is the verse that says that God walked with "them" in the garden?

Except that Eve said that God said "you" plural. That is what Scripture says, so either she was lying and she assumed (and we have no reason to believe she was lying) or the Scripture is accurate. If she assumed as you suggest, then she definitely lied when she said "not to touch". But nowhere in Scripture is there any indication that Eve assumed anything or that she lied. If she didn't lie, then she told the truth and what she said is exactly what happened.

And how did you think that God presented the woman to the man if He wasn't there in the garden with them? He had to actually say something.......

[Ovedya]

We needn't assume anything, though, if Eve took Adam's commandment as God's having told them both. If I were only one of two human beings on the earth and I had heard that God commanded something to the other, I would tend to believe that it was also commanded to me as well.

Where is the verse that says that God walked with "them" in the garden?

Except that Eve said that God said "you" plural. That is what Scripture says, so either she was lying and she assumed (and we have no reason to believe she was lying) or the Scripture is accurate. If she assumed as you suggest, then she definitely lied when she said "not to touch". But nowhere in Scripture is there any indication that Eve assumed anything or that she lied. If she didn't lie, then she told the truth and what she said is exactly what happened.

And how did you think that God presented the woman to the man if He wasn't there in the garden with them? He had to actually say something.......

Again, it doesn't have to be interpreted as a lie or an assumption on Eve's part. She was one of only two human beings on the planet. Naturally she would have taken God's commandment of Adam as applying to her as well.

I was hoping for the verse(s) that state that God "walked with them" in the garden. Do you believe that God's first words to Eve were to reiterate His commandment to Adam?

[Ovedya]

hey Oops, youve been studying for 35 years.

can you share with firehill how Adam sacrificed in behalf of his family?

i moved that conversation over here since this is more about Adam.

the whole caine and abel sacrificed an animal and where they learned that from.

Tell firehill about it.

I also believe that Adam learned it from God when he sacrificed the animal for coats of skins (Very likely it was a lamb), and he passed it down to his sons.