Adam's Responsibility?

[firehill]

Grace to you,

Suzanne,

I Love these topics from the WORD.

I wanted to add furthermore that once they were covenanted that he was the more responsible. We can deduce this by looking at the Covenantial relationship we have with the Lord. For surely the Word is built up line upon line and precept upon precept.

That the Word is established line upon line and precept upon precept can be seen when we start with one verse and it's context and move to the next. I'm trying to do this here in this thread. I've started with what the words says (God's command to Adam, I've added nothing, just provided what the word says) and would like to proceed to what else the words SAYS. It is what the word says that is to be established and nothing else.

How much more did Adam share with his Bride before the fall? As he revealed to his friend to his Bride the very things he heard from God the Father Himself?

I'm sure Adam and Eve shared alot of things.

The word is established line upon line and precept upon precept. Can you show me where the word establishes that Adam told Eve that he, himself was commanded by God to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and can you tell me the purpose of why Adam would be responsible or accountable for telling Eve what HE himself was prohibited from? I'm talking about the word establishing itself. Let's look at the written word, together.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Ge 2:23

And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

In essence she was a part of him. If he loved and cared for himself he certainly would have told her, don't you think.

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two shall be one flesh.

He was responsible for her as much as she him.

Peace,

Dave

The idea of total responsibility infers control.

Dict.com

answerable or accountable, as for something within one's power, control, or management (often fol. by to or for): He is responsible to the president for his decisions

As Christians we are responsible to do certain things (be loving, caring, honest, supportive, etc.) and responsible for our own obedience, but we cannot be responsible for another persons beliefs, feelings, thinking, or actions.

Being one flesh is a harmonious unity, not an enveloping management of another. One blends and yields till there is harmony. The other restrains and controls. Which would you prefer done to you.

I don't disgaree.

But what does Love do?

Joh

[firehill]

Being one flesh is a harmonious unity, not an enveloping management of another. One blends and yields till there is harmony. The other restrains and controls. Which would you prefer done to you.

I hear the second greatest commandment coming into light here.

[tsth]

It is also symbolic of how we will view our Lord. How do we view the order? Do we submit as wives out of respect and love, or do we view this as being "mastered"?

It is the same with Christ our Lord.

submit

Titus 2:1 You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine. 2 Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of respect, self-controlled, and sound in faith, in love and in endurance. 3 Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4 Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

master

Hosea 2:16 "In that day," declares the Lord, "you will call me 'my husband'; you will no longer call me 'my master.'

How do we perceive?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[firehill]

I don't disgaree.

But what does Love do?

Joh

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

No one is talking about control. We are talking about elevating the Covenantial relationship oradained by God to the level of which it is called. That level is sacrifice.

As far as the Word being built up line upon line and precept upon precept. We are talking about proofs and insights into elucidatory thought throughout the Word. From beginning to end the theme remains the same.

Peace,

Dave

[firehill]

It is also symbolic of how we will view our Lord. How do we view the order? Do we submit as wives out of respect and love, or do we view this as being "mastered"?

No, It's not. Your jumping from one subject to the next. We need order here. Let's keep with one verse in it's context at a time and move from there onto the next and the next letting the word establish itself!

We can cover the entire bible if you wish in this thread but let's keep order and focus on one thing at a time so that the bible may speak to us.

[tsth]

I am in agreement with what Dave was conveying. We must receive the wholeness of God's Word, as it ALL works together.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[firehill]

No one can answer my questions?

Does not the bible provide the answers to them because the bible is what provided the verse I'm trying to work with here, in the first place? If we don't ignore what it says there in that verse then we can move on and let it build what itself further says.

We can always start right here for any who want to discuss. We should look intently at what it exactly says.

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you (singular) must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

[inhistime]

And I refer back to the instruction in Ephesians.

So is there a responsibility to the husband to make sure that his wife is not mislead by "erroneous/seducing" teachings?

In His Love,

Suzanne

Although God spoke to both Adam and Eve concerning what they may eat (showing also what they could not eat in the garden Gen. 1:29) and because of God's instructions, Eve would not have needed Adam to tell her what God had already instructed her on, it is obvious that Eve had not experienced everything that Adam had. Adam was given a task by God that resulted in him understanding the he alone was without a mate and also that God was unique as the creator. During the period before Eve was created Adam learned a lesson that would help him to appreciate Eve and to accept her as his very own mate created from his own body. God also gave him a lesson that resulted in Adam not being deceived by the serpent. Eve did not have the experience that Adam had with the animals showing him the difference between the Creator and the creation, as a result she was fully and completely deceived by the serpent.

So does a person who see the error and who is not deceived have a responsibility to make sure that the other person has the information they need to also see through the lies? I think we can agree that they do. Since Adam was not deceived (1 Timothy 2:14) and Eve was fully deceived (1 Timothy 2:14), Adam should have loved his wife enough to help her in her deception. God speaks about this in Genesis 3:17.

Gen 3:17 Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life.

God first of all gives Adam the reason that he is cursing the ground on his behalf. It is because Adam listened to his wife speaking. Adam was there in the garden with his wife while she was speaking with the serpent, but he did nothing to correct her or protect her. This is not an example of a man having to protect a weak woman. This has everything to do with one who knows the truth and who is not deceived and still he does nothing with that information. If Eve had been the one who had the first hand information about the different between God and his creation so that she too would have seen that she was a mere creation of God and God was the one who formed animals from the dirt of the ground, then she would have been responsible for correcting him. The one who has the truth is the one who is responsible for doing something with that truth no matter who that may be.

It is a sad thing for humanity that Adam was not deceived but did nothing about his wife's deception. Had he instructed her about the uniqueness of God, she would have had the protection she needed to stay away from the lies and the liar.