Scientific Evidence for God?

[RedNick261]

Benny Hinn preaches a false gospel...everything about the guy is a sham

LOL I think this is one thing that yzf-r1 and I will agree on without exception .

Edited August 22, 2007 by RedNick261

[MorningGlory]

Not really. I don't believe in God, so how can I hate him? More to the point, I find the concept of Heaven and Hell ludicrous. They look to me like man-made devices to keep people under control, in the Church. 'Believe us, or have everlasting torture'. Quite charming. I find it sad that people spend their lives denying themselves pleasure in this life, for favours in the non-existent next.

How terribly deceived you are, davem. I pray that you come to see the Truth before your time here is spent.

[ohnomelon]

Not really. I don't believe in God, so how can I hate him? More to the point, I find the concept of Heaven and Hell ludicrous. They look to me like man-made devices to keep people under control, in the Church. 'Believe us, or have everlasting torture'. Quite charming. I find it sad that people spend their lives denying themselves pleasure in this life, for favours in the non-existent next.

The doctrines of heaven and hell were taught by Jesus Himself before His followers had any real control or political power. It certainly can be used as a propaganda tool by overzealous evangelists who prefer to scare people into the kingdom, but I think most Christians just accept the reality of hell and acknowledge that it's not a pleasant place. Your statement about denial of pleasure has me confused, though... could you please elaborate on that?

[Guest]

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"Lovers Of Pleasures More Than Lovers Of God"

Now How Would Paul Know That? Reads Like He Could Have Been Reading This Thread!

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

2 Timothy 3:1-4

When Man Gives God Their Worst

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Proverbs 8:36

God Gives Man His Best

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

With Joy!

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Hebrews 12:2

Isn't He Lovely

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Joe

[ollkiller]

The Title of the thread is Scientific Evidence for God. Nobody has shown any scientific evidence for God. Could you please close this thread as unlike Ronsel, it does not do what it says on the tin.

[MorningGlory]

Hmmmm. Maybe go back and read the "kind" thread. Your analysis wasn't so hot there.

I was thinking about re-opening that topic with a new thread doctor

So....what's a thread doctor?

[MorningGlory]

Not really. I don't believe in God, so how can I hate him? More to the point, I find the concept of Heaven and Hell ludicrous. They look to me like man-made devices to keep people under control, in the Church. 'Believe us, or have everlasting torture'. Quite charming. I find it sad that people spend their lives denying themselves pleasure in this life, for favours in the non-existent next.

How terribly deceived you are, davem. I pray that you come to see the Truth before your time here is spent.

Christian logic at work - trump an opinion with another opinion.

Ah, but at least I HAVE logic. Deluding yourself into thinking you can do as you please, without consequence, now THAT'S illogical. Trouble is, most won't understand that concept until it's too late. I seriously hope that doesn't happen to you nonbelievers. Something to think about.

[ohnomelon]

Ah, but at least I HAVE logic. Deluding yourself into thinking you can do as you please, without consequence, now THAT'S illogical. Trouble is, most won't understand that concept until it's too late. I seriously hope that doesn't happen to you nonbelievers. Something to think about.

Indeed your view is logical - whether it's supported by evidence is another matter.

"What is rational is actual and what is actual is rational. On this conviction the plain man like the philosopher takes his stand, and from it philosophy starts in its study of the universe of spirit as well as the universe of nature." - G.W.F. Hegel

I wouldn't go around saying that your opponents' views are logical unless you are a relativist or plan to convert to their way of thinking. lol

I in no way think I can do whatever I please. I live in a society with laws, so the concept of consequences for my actions is not unfamiliar.

I got two honest questions for ya:

1. Do you believe that any moral obligation exists apart from our obligation to abide by society's laws?

2. What do you believe to be the basis of moral law/virtues, if not God's commands or character traits?

[The Lorax]

What is rational is actual and what is actual is rational.

Er, no. What is logical is not necessarily actual. (In order for that to be true, all logical possibilities must exist. That idea isn't supported either by science or Scripture.)

Logic governs what is and is not Possible. Logic cannot fully tell us what is Actual, which is a SUBSET of the Possible.

We need to LOOK at our universe to learn what is actual. Logic just helps us to deduce possibilities and winnow out the impossibilities.

[MorningGlory]

Ah, but at least I HAVE logic. Deluding yourself into thinking you can do as you please, without consequence, now THAT'S illogical. Trouble is, most won't understand that concept until it's too late. I seriously hope that doesn't happen to you nonbelievers. Something to think about.

Indeed your view is logical - whether it's supported by evidence is another matter.

I in no way think I can do whatever I please. I live in a society with laws, so the concept of consequences for my actions is not unfamiliar.

I'm sure you follow the law, FQ. I was thinking more in spiritual and moral terms.