Scientific Evidence for God?

[Guest]

how about an amen?

Wise Guy

When You Discover That The Evolutionary Fable Is Both Anti-Science And Anti-Christ

You May Indeed Paste Your Bible Back Together Again

And There Is No Need To Toss Science

If You Can't Have It Their Way

Have It God's Way

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 16:24-27

There Is Little Doubt You Will Face The Wrath Of Man And Demon

But Be Of Good Cheer

Jesus Was There

He Won

These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

John 16:13

Ware The Lie

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works

2 Corinthians 11:13-15

Treasure The Bible

Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Psalms 119:11

And Be Blessed Beloved

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Joe

[God wants me]

The problem is that the scientists are scared of a supreme being! Now what some scientists have been doing is faking their findings! I recomend the book Case for a creator and it will show you what I mean!

[ollkiller]

I just giggled for a bit. Sorry, I lost my composure.

Same as that. Myco i don't know how you do it mate, but you always respond to the argument in spades. Note for people debating Myco. If your going to debate evolution with Myco will you please learn about evolution first because none of ye seem to have the first clue how evolution works. If i was going to counter somebody's argunment i would learn about it first so i could respond better.

[kari21]

"As an aside, the sum total of the energy, matter, dark energy and dark matter in the universe is thought to add up to ZERO. So, yes, it all could have come from 'nothing'."

That makes no sense whatsoever.....

Edited August 15, 2007 by kari19

[RedNick261]

I just giggled for a bit. Sorry, I lost my composure.

Same as that. Myco i don't know how you do it mate, but you always respond to the argument in spades. Note for people debating Myco. If your going to debate evolution with Myco will you please learn about evolution first because none of ye seem to have the first clue how evolution works. If i was going to counter somebody's argunment i would learn about it first so i could respond better.

This is a very wise post. Whether you agree with something or not, you should at least have a basic understanding of the subject matter before engaging in an intellectual debate over it. Kudos for this post!

[ollkiller]

I just giggled for a bit. Sorry, I lost my composure.

Same as that. Myco i don't know how you do it mate, but you always respond to the argument in spades. Note for people debating Myco. If your going to debate evolution with Myco will you please learn about evolution first because none of ye seem to have the first clue how evolution works. If i was going to counter somebody's argunment i would learn about it first so i could respond better.

This is a very wise post. Whether you agree with something or not, you should at least have a basic understanding of the subject matter before engaging in an intellectual debate over it. Kudos for this post!

Cheers Dude

[kari21]

"As an aside, the sum total of the energy, matter, dark energy and dark matter in the universe is thought to add up to ZERO. So, yes, it all could have come from 'nothing'."

That makes no sense whatsoever.....

-1+1=0

the idea is that if you add up all the stuff in Creation the plusses and the minuses cancel out, leaving nothing, what was here before Creation.

which makes ,

Genesis 1 (King James Version)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Perfect sense.

It makes no sense scientifically, nor even using common sense. One of the basic laws of science is "from nothing- nothing comes" You cannot create a universe from nothing NATURALISTICALLY!

If I were to ask you to bake me a cake using ingredients I gave you, and you said sure, and I handed you NOTHING, could you bake the cake?

If you start with a total void - absolutley nothing - you are going to get nothing...period.

As far back as cosmologists can go, without delving into theoretical physics, is the singularity. Where all the matter and energy that was to make up the universe was condensed - the "cosmic egg."

The question that is still being asked and pondered over is: "where did all the matter and energy come from that made up the egg?"

Theories other than The Big Bang, i.e., The string theory, the multi-verse theory, the expanding/contracting universe, are nothing but theoretical...all theory with no hard scientific proof behind them.

So, you are left with a universe that created itself from nothing...or a universe that was created by an intelligent creator...

[kari21]

If you start with a total void - absolutely nothing - you are going to get nothing...period.

this appears not to be the case.

particle - antiparticle pairs have been observed to spontaneously appear and then rejoin annihilating themselves and leaving nothing behind. 0=-1+1=0

S. Hawking used them to show how black holes can appear to radiate by having the hole grab one of the pair allowing the other particle to fly away, looking like the hole emitted it.

Anti-particles have positive masses just as any other particle. And an anti-particle is just as real as any other particle. If you use Einstein's famous E=mc2 relation you find that an anti-particle has positive energy, since it has a mass which is identical to the mass of its partner 'particle.' The 'anti-' part of the name just signifies the fact that the quantum numbers that the particle has are opposite of those of the corresponding particle.

To even HAVE an anti-particle, you MUST have the corresponding particle of matter.

So, you are back to asking - "where did that matter come from....?"

Edited August 16, 2007 by kari19

[patricia1]

If you start with a total void - absolutely nothing - you are going to get nothing...period.

this appears not to be the case.

particle - antiparticle pairs have been observed to spontaneously appear and then rejoin annihilating themselves and leaving nothing behind. 0=-1+1=0

S. Hawking used them to show how black holes can appear to radiate by having the hole grab one of the pair allowing the other particle to fly away, looking like the hole emitted it.

Anti-particles have positive masses just as any other particle. And an anti-particle is just as real as any other particle. If you use Einstein's famous E=mc2 relation you find that an anti-particle has positive energy, since it has a mass which is identical to the mass of its partner 'particle.' The 'anti-' part of the name just signifies the fact that the quantum numbers that the particle has are opposite of those of the corresponding particle.

To even HAVE an anti-particle, you MUST have the corresponding particle of matter.

So, you are back to asking - "where did that matter come from....?"

.. I really do not know if I replied but the word void in the hebrew means good for nothing, does not mean nothing was there.

[ollkiller]

Theories other than The Big Bang, i.e., The string theory, the multi-verse theory, the expanding/contracting universe, are nothing but theoretical...all theory with no hard scientific proof behind them.

So, you are left with a universe that created itself from nothing...or a universe that was created by an intelligent creator...

There's also the idea that out universe could come into existence as a result of two other universes colliding against each other. So you have the options you outlined and the one i said and they are all theories. No proof for any of them including the creator so how can we be sure which is the right one.