Scientific Evidence for God?

[RedNick261]

Why is sharing a scientific argument with an atheist somehow bad? Are you sure it isn't just sharing intellectual honesty? Why does something completely free of religious dogmas (despite your attempts to add it, somehow) somehow have religious implications? Perhaps the fact that you seem to share a lot with ancient Greek polytheists in the belief that Christ is some type of God-man (which, for the record, I believe is abundantly proven in Scripture and I hold fast to this belief) makes you one step away from an ancient Greek polytheist? Seriously, guilt by association doesn't work when the association is not even of the nature of the belief structure. Only you seem to be making the "literal" interpretation of the Judeo-Christian creation accounts (or at least one of them) a virtual necessity of salvation. How does sharing a belief with someone make them the same in all ways? Perhaps because you (I would assume, anyway) vote a conservative ticket, you automatically share the religious views of the atheist conservative? Or, perhaps, because you believe (selectively, at least) in the laws of mathematics, you are equal in belief with the atheist math professor at the local university?

[Guest]

Why is sharing a scientific argument with an atheist somehow bad?

Do you think a Christian should share a godless worldview (Darwinism) with atheists? Or do you somehow not think Darwinism is godless?

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[Jorge S]

so any supernatural intervention needed to force the atoms to behave in an unnatural manner MUST have taken place in the past and then STOPPED, allowing the natural process to continue as it does today.

That's the problem with theistic evolution: It doesn't know where to fit Genesis within its accepted speculation about origins. The easiest shortcut? Allegorize Genesis! And get the best of both worlds at once: Christian Salvation and scientific gratification. The supernatural intervention you're speaking of is more than just intervention - a term that implies interference with an ongoing process. God created the universe and all its inhabitants out of nothing in the span of six solar days. He has neither surrendered His Authorship and continuous Rulership of Creation to anything else than His Own Will and Purpose. Nothing about His handling of Creation has ever stopped.

the jews could have been the Chosen People because their DNA was closest to the set God wanted to make Jesus with.hence the focus on breeding.

You employed a speculative 'could' (in bold above.) I think the issue was more practical than your purported biological superiority. Mixing carried the dangers of religious contamination and extermination of the culture from which the Messiah would come.

[The Lorax]

That's the problem with theistic evolution: It doesn't know where to fit Genesis within its accepted speculation about origins. The easiest shortcut? Allegorize Genesis! And get the best of both worlds at once: Christian Salvation and scientific gratification. The supernatural intervention you're speaking of is more than just intervention - a term that implies interference with an ongoing process. God created the universe and all its inhabitants out of nothing in the span of six solar days. He has neither surrendered His Authorship and continuous Rulership of Creation to anything else than His Own Will and Purpose. Nothing about His handling of Creation has ever stopped.

...And I would counter that the problem with 6-day creationists is that they can't spot an allegory when it is staring them in the face.

The Lord has given us endless clues to his allegory. Still not enough for some, though.

[The Lorax]

show me an allegorical passage there....fact is, you can't, you can only force fit your opinion to the clear reading scripture

What are you expecting, something like "DISCLAIMER: the following is allegory"?

It's staring you in the face, YZ!

[ted]

Please watch the tone of the posts in this thread.

t.

[The Lorax]

the only thing staring me in the face is your ongoing mockery of God...dangerous stuff!

Ted gave you a warning--remember it.

this isn't Daniel or Revelation, allegory is always clear from the context

What kind of context would you expect for Genesis to have as an allegory?

There are several reasons why Genesis was presented as an allegory, and a pervasive one. Here's a rather intuitive reason: people of the day had no way of comprehending a universe 14 billion years old. (Billions?!) There was the additional risk people of the time would, as a kneejerk reaction to something so outlandish, simply reject the whole message of Genesis and of God. Luckily, despite all its intellectual ramifications, the age of the Earth is not terribly important to our spiritual redemption, and allegory sufficed. It was the only thing people of the time could accept. Fortunately for us modern folk the Lord left us a number of clues to unlock the allegory, clues some of us have accepted and others have yet to accept.

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Ted gave you a warning--remember it

OK! OK!

Speaking Of Brother Ted And Of Jesus And Of God's Glory Shining Out From His Creation And Things.....

Who Is Jesus To You?

Six Days And A Holy Day Of Rest.

Allegory?

We Know Better!

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:10-11

Oh My! The Lord Of The Sabbath. The Lord Jesus Christ

Allegory?

We Know Better!

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matthew 12:8

Jesus The Creator Of Genesis One.

Allegory?

We Know Better!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:1-3

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Love, Joe

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

[The Lorax]

Ted gave you a warning--remember it

OK! OK!

Don't worry Joe the warning wasn't directed at you.

Jesus to me is the Lord incarnate, to answer your question.

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Jesus to me is the Lord incarnate, to answer your question.

LORD Of What?