What's wrong with the world -- or is it me?

[Kidtek]

we are all ignorant in some form or another, if you really want to learn, listen to what others are telling you, with an open mind and heart. We are all believers here, brothers and sisters in Christ and should be willing to learn and listen. Your not standing on Biblical truths, listen to those who are trying to share the truth with you. I never said you called anybody stupid, I said exactly what you said, ignorant.

That is a two way street. You would not even consider my view except to persecute

[Scarletprayers]

we are all ignorant in some form or another, if you really want to learn, listen to what others are telling you, with an open mind and heart. We are all believers here, brothers and sisters in Christ and should be willing to learn and listen. Your not standing on Biblical truths, listen to those who are trying to share the truth with you. I never said you called anybody stupid, I said exactly what you said, ignorant.

That is a two way street. You would not even consider my view except to persecute

Jesus was a Jew, there is nothing there to consider, sorry but thats just the way it is. I, nor anyone else here that has told you, you were wrong, are trying to persecute you. Maybe we got off on the wrong foot when we posted, that just means we reacted without thinking first, it is not persecution. What we need to do is start another thread about this issue, because we have basically hijacked Datan's thread.

Sorry Datan!

[Guest LadyC]

yes, Jesus was a jew. goodness, it's hard for me to fathom how anyone could so misinterpret that fact. but then, i'm the queen of ignorance when it comes to geography.

shiloh, nice job on explaining it to kidtek.

[Kidtek]

Jesus was a Jew, there is nothing there to consider, sorry but thats just the way it is. I, nor anyone else here that has told you, you were wrong, are trying to persecute you. Maybe we got off on the wrong foot when we posted, that just means we reacted without thinking first, it is not persecution. What we need to do is start another thread about this issue, because we have basically hijacked Datan's thread.

Sorry Datan!

I see nothing productive or supportive in your beliefs here. Or anyone else that has posted here. However Shiloh did a good post on this subject even if he did miss James 1:1.

Because he took the time to do some research is shows that he looked at the issue and attempted to disprove it using scripture as support and authority. Shiloh did not say here it it baby take or leave as some here have done. He actually dug into it.

The bible say all men are liars. So beware of men not God.

[Scarletprayers]

Jesus was a Jew, there is nothing there to consider, sorry but thats just the way it is. I, nor anyone else here that has told you, you were wrong, are trying to persecute you. Maybe we got off on the wrong foot when we posted, that just means we reacted without thinking first, it is not persecution. What we need to do is start another thread about this issue, because we have basically hijacked Datan's thread.

Sorry Datan!

I see nothing productive or supportive in your beliefs here. Or anyone else that has posted here. However Shiloh did a good post on this subject even if he did miss James 1:1.

Because he took the time to do some research is shows that he looked at the issue and attempted to disprove it using scripture as support and authority. Shiloh did not say here it it baby take or leave as some here have done. He actually dug into it.

The bible say all men are liars. So beware of men not God.

Shaking the dust from my feet.

[Kidtek]

Shaking the dust from my feet.

Very productive and very evil lots of character on both

[Ovedya]

The Holy Bible all editions and the Holy Quran all editions are written and based on the first five books of the Torah. All of Gods laws were given and written in those first five books of all editions.

Actually this is not factual at all. The Old Testament of the Bible as we have it is a translation from the Septuagint, it is not "based" upon the Torah. The Quran is only loosely based upon the Abrahamic story recorded in Genesis. It's not even accurate to the Torah, in fact. Futhermore, Muslims believe that the story of Abraham and his descendants as recorded in teh Torah is false and corrupted. They believe that they are the promised children of God through Ishmael, which they clearly are not. Islam is a rip-off religion.

Don't buy the lie that it is anything like Judaism or Christianity.

Even Moses the law giver created man made laws that were not from God or have you forgotten that. DIVORCE

That is false. Jesus said that it was "permitted," which means that God permitted it.

Or do you not believe that the Bible is the complete Word of God?

God himself only gave us about 13 laws thats it.

That is also false. There are 10 commandments, and over 300 Mosaic laws.

Now for the word abomination. That word was used more in the Bible to describe the emotions of Egyptians and was never used during the life time of Abraham or Lot. Moreover God never use that word. Man used that word to describe his own emotions and to describe how he thought God would accept or reject something.

Ah...Nope. In Genesis and exodus the word is only used in relation to the Egyptians a couple of times. All other cases God calls something an abomination for the sake of His people in relation to the Law. If God calls something an abomination in relation to His own people it is very clear that He considers it an abomination Himself.

I believe that he created Gay people.

I believe that because he also created Gay animals.

God would never create something that is contrary to the order of His own creation. The act of homosexuality contradicts the order of creation, of procreation. Romans 1:28 is clear that it was man not God that turned away from God's order of creation. Therefore God gave them up to a disapproved mind to do things which are not fitting.

Neither did God create "gay animals." Humans do not in any way compare to animals. Man is the highest order of creation and not related in any way to animals. You think that because a male cow prefers another male cow that it's "gay"? Cows are stupid animals. Human beings know the difference between males and females, and are in control of their urges and desires if they choose to be.

He also created mean people that hurt other people everyday for no reason.

That is also not true.

[Ovedya]

Shaking the dust from my feet.

Very productive and very evil lots of character on both

Yeah...Maybe God created her to be evil and mean, right?

Nonsense!

[Guest shiloh357]

Oh now I see why everyone persecutes Jews.

Because of pure ignorance.

James 1:1 says all the tribes that you speak of were abroad.

I think that means that they were not there with Jesus.

But Jews were there as the country of Judea was still there and persons born there were Jews.

Being of the 12 tribes does not make you a Jew it makes you a Hebrew or an Israelite.

Kidtec, James 1:1 was written by James to physical descendents of Abraham, of the twelve tribes who did not live in the Land of Israel that much is true. However, it does not follow that ALL of the members of the twelve tribes were not living in the Land. It simply means that a portion of them were not living there, and that portion was the audience he was writing to.

Jesus was born of Joseph and Mary of Nazareth who left home to pay taxes when he was born but he was still a Nazarene as the bible states.

Yet, I have shown you, Jesus by the Bible's own genealogical records show that Jesus was born in the tribe of Judah and by YOUR definition, if that is the definition we are going by, makes Jesus a Jew. The fact that he lived in Nazareth and was called a Nazarene does not make him nonJewish. I live in a town called "Springfield." I am a "Springfieldian" which simply means it is my town of residence, and that has no bearing on my physical lineage. You are trying to assert that Nazerene is an ethnic or racial term, and it isn't. It simply means that Jesus the Jew, born of the tribe of Judah, was a resident of Nazareth.

Any one can become a Jew even you or me.

It is a religion like Lutheran or Catholic or Mormon.

All you have to do is convert to Judaism.

It is not mandatory that you be born into a Jewish family.

People convert to Judaism all the time and become Jews but the bible is not talking about a religion or ethnic group as neither were there with Jesus at that time.

Being a Jew is both religious and ethnic. One can be a Jew and yet not be part of the religion of Judaism. One can also be of Scottish or German descent and convert to Judaism and become a physical member of the Jewish people, albeit that does not change one's ethnicity. However, upon conversion, one's ethnicity no longer becomes relevant, as one would from that point on, only identify themselves as a Jew. Jesus was both an ethnic Jew and a religious one as well.

The bible says:

James 1:1 say all 12 tribes are abroad.

The bible say that he was a Nazarene and still you deny him just as a disciple denied him 3 times.

Again, you are simply mistaken in your reading and application of that verse.

The bible does not refer to Joseph or Mary as Jews.

It mentions his linage under David.

That is also incorrect, Kidtek. Matthew chapter 1 Luke chapter 3 both show us Mary and Joseph's lineage as being Jews of the tribe of Judah and Mary is a direct descendent of King David the Jew and Luke 1:27 also declares Mary to be of the tribe of Judah.

Gal 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Even here it is referring to birth location not ethic or religion.

No, the only thing that Paul is declaring in Gal 3:28 is that physical lineage, gender, and social status offer no advantage or disadavantage where access to grace is concerned. In Christ, all are equally saved and loved by God the Father, and there is no favoritism.

[Scarletprayers]

Shaking the dust from my feet.

Very productive and very evil lots of character on both

Yeah...Maybe God created her to be evil and mean, right?

Nonsense!

Well maybe the mean part Ovedya!