Gay Pastor Conducts Tammy Faye Service

[nebula]

"But are you saying God created some men with same-sex attraction?"

- Umm...when did I say that?

Did you not say or advocate or support the idea that some men are born homosexual?

So you're saying God couldn't possibly have created people with same-sex attraction because He forbid same-sex relation and in your interpretation of God's nature, He wouldn't do something that's seemingly contradictory.

So I get that you are saying God creates people with a forbidden desire?

There are six verses that relate to homosexuality. Look them all up.

I asked for you to post them.

[chrisb]

I never made the comparison, nor would I.

Disingenuous arguments don't further this debate.

[forrestkc]

I never made the comparison, nor would I.

Disingenuous arguments don't further this debate.

I did not say that you have made such a comparison, but the comparison has been made by many on here.

[hepatocyte]

"But are you saying God created some men with same-sex attraction?"

- Umm...when did I say that?

Did you not say or advocate or support the idea that some men are born homosexual?

So you're saying God couldn't possibly have created people with same-sex attraction because He forbid same-sex relation and in your interpretation of God's nature, He wouldn't do something that's seemingly contradictory.

So I get that you are saying God creates people with a forbidden desire?

There are six verses that relate to homosexuality. Look them all up.

I asked for you to post them.

"Did you not say or advocate or support the idea that some men are born homosexual?"

- I advocated the point that no one has proof as to what causes homosexuality.

"So I get that you are saying God creates people with a forbidden desire?"

- God doesn't create predilection for sin. That comes from the fall of man from Adam's original sin.

"I asked for you to post them."

- And I ask for you to look them up yourself. I realize you were trying to make a reply to the Bible verses, but if that's the case, then post them yourself.

[chrisb]

I never made the comparison, nor would I.

Disingenuous arguments don't further this debate.

I did not say that you have made such a comparison, but the comparison has been made by many on here.

Weren't you the first one to bring it up in this thread?

[Guest LadyC]

forrest, only if you intend to also copy/paste each comparison made to fornication, adultery, etc.

therein lies my point. you're singling out one thing that it is compared to instead of acknowledging that comparisons are made to all areas of sexual immorality.

[Guest LadyC]

chris, i think it was hepatocyte that made that accusation, although forrest does seem to support it.

Let me ask you guys this, if you had a son or daughter that was gay or lesbian, would you like your fellow Christians comparing them to Child Molesters?

nobody has done that. i suspected for several years that one of my daughters might prefer other females. turns out i was wrong, but nevertheless, i would have loved her unconditionally while still teaching her the biblical truth, even if i'd been right. and had she used any of the 'born that way' arguments, i'd have told her exactly what everyone has said in this thread. we're all born with a nature of sin, but homosexuality is no more genetic than adultery, promiscuity, or pedophilia.

[Smalcald]

1 Romans is the most specific scripture in my mind in dealing with homosexual urges and desires and the sin itself.

There are others however.

[nebula]

"Did you not say or advocate or support the idea that some men are born homosexual?"

- I advocated the point that no one has proof as to what causes homosexuality.

"So I get that you are saying God creates people with a forbidden desire?"

- God doesn't create predilection for sin. That comes from the fall of man from Adam's original sin.

So, are you admitting that homosexuality is a sin? Would not sin be the cause, then? Scripturally?

"I asked for you to post them."

- And I ask for you to look them up yourself. I realize you were trying to make a reply to the Bible verses, but if that's the case, then post them yourself.

Look, Liver cell, I don't know what game you are playing here. But let me take you back.

"homosexuals claim they are born that way, that it's somehow genetic. it is not, and that is where the comparison lies."

- And you have proof? How do you know it's not due to prenatal hormonal influences or the interplay of BOTH genes and the environment? How do you know it doesn't have multiple causes?

Hepatocyte (I still get a kick out of your name, by the way ) -

What do the Scriptures say about male-male and female-female sexual relationships?

You have contested that homosexuality is about prenatal hormones, genes and the environment.

So, I asked for you to present what the Scriptures have to say.

Is what you are saying here line up with what the Scripture says?

[Vickilynn]

That is not true. The reason why homosexuals are under more attack than say thieves is because nobody is trying to make a thief out to be acceptable. We don't have churches catering to thieves, neither do we have churches catering to adulterers, slanderers, etc. We also don't afford special rights to other sins, like making it a hate crime to attack someone who is a cleptomaniac. We don't have adulterer pride parades and covetous days at Disney World. That is the difference. If homosexuals were simply people caught up in sin, and were not promoting their sin as being ok, normal, and even to be celebrated, you would see the attacks against them go down.

Shalom Butero,

Amen, amen, amen!

The reason homosexuality is the "squeaky wheel" is because they are in your face demanding to be accepted as same-sex marriage, same-sex parents, lobbying government, filing lawsuits of discrimination, teaching "alternate lifestyle choices" in public schools, creating gay TV shows where being gay is cute, funny and cool, accusing ANYONE a "homophobe" who stands up for the Biblical truth that homosexuality is a sin against G-d.

No homosexuality is not any more sin than another sin, but the other sinners don't have high-priced lawyers, lobby groups and demonstrations promoting their sin as "normal" and demanding that we agree.