Naming the Name of Christ

[Guest shiloh357]

Well then I think our preaching to the choir, because Fiosh has already agreed with you and I concur that the homosexuals that use the Bible the way you have stated above are NOT trying to really live in a Christian manner walking in Gods word.

Well where Fiosh and I disagreed, is over whether or not they are engaging in interpretation. I was simply demonstrating to Fiosh that they were not.

[Scarletprayers]

Well then I think our preaching to the choir, because Fiosh has already agreed with you and I concur that the homosexuals that use the Bible the way you have stated above are NOT trying to really live in a Christian manner walking in Gods word.

Well where Fiosh and I disagreed, is over whether or not they are engaging in interpretation. I was simply demonstrating to Fiosh that they were not.

got cha!

[Fiosh]

Well then I think our preaching to the choir, because Fiosh has already agreed with you and I concur that the homosexuals that use the Bible the way you have stated above are NOT trying to really live in a Christian manner walking in Gods word.

Exactly.

[Guest shiloh357]

Well then I think our preaching to the choir, because Fiosh has already agreed with you and I concur that the homosexuals that use the Bible the way you have stated above are NOT trying to really live in a Christian manner walking in Gods word.

Exactly.

Well, not "exactly." You still hold to the unbiblical premise that a person can still live in aberrant sin and still be a Christian; a position which in the course of this debate you have never been able to support with one passage from the Bible. The fact that you cannot turn to the Bible to find corroboration for your position is both glaringly conspiciuous but is the chief indicator of the weakness and indefensible nature of your assertions.

[Fiosh]

Well then I think our preaching to the choir, because Fiosh has already agreed with you and I concur that the homosexuals that use the Bible the way you have stated above are NOT trying to really live in a Christian manner walking in Gods word.

Exactly.

Well, not "exactly." You still hold to the unbiblical premise that a person can still live in aberrant sin and still be a Christian; a position which in the course of this debate you have never been able to support with one passage from the Bible. The fact that you cannot turn to the Bible to find corroboration for your position is both glaringly conspiciuous but is the chief indicator of the weakness and indefensible nature of your assertions.

Scriptural evidence has been provided to show God's mercy on those who sin in ignorance. You continue to create your own paradigm and debate within it. I already stated at least twice that, given your qualifiers, I agree with you. But that's not what I'm trying to defend.

As long as you continue to view this with tunnel vision, we are having 2 different arguments.

Hope you have a pleasant day, Shiloh.

Peace,

Fiosh

[Guest shiloh357]

Well then I think our preaching to the choir, because Fiosh has already agreed with you and I concur that the homosexuals that use the Bible the way you have stated above are NOT trying to really live in a Christian manner walking in Gods word.

Exactly.

Well, not "exactly." You still hold to the unbiblical premise that a person can still live in aberrant sin and still be a Christian; a position which in the course of this debate you have never been able to support with one passage from the Bible. The fact that you cannot turn to the Bible to find corroboration for your position is both glaringly conspiciuous but is the chief indicator of the weakness and indefensible nature of your assertions.

Scriptural evidence has been provided to show God's mercy on those who sin in ignorance. You continue to create your own paradigm and debate within it. I already stated at least twice that, given your qualifiers, I agree with you. But that's not what I'm trying to defend.

As long as you continue to view this with tunnel vision, we are having 2 different arguments.

Hope you have a pleasant day, Shiloh.

Peace,

Fiosh

The problem Fiosh is that you have a skewed view about what consitutes "ignorance." I have already demonstrated that once a person is faced with what the Scriptures say about homosexuality, they are no longer in ignorance. It doesn't matter how they "interpret" it, it is still not "ignorance," but rebellion.

Again, the Bible does not agree with you and you have been heretofore, unable to produce any biblical defense for your position. Your position amounts to emotional tactics and does not reflect true Christian teaching given to us by the apostles or Jesus Himself.

[Fiosh]

Summary

Question: Is it possible for an individual be a Christian while living as a practicing homosexual?

Shiloh states (correct me if I'm wrong, Shiloh): Once an individual is confronted with the verses in Scripture that apply to homosexuality, he must repent of his sin and stop participating in his homosexual relationship, or he is not a Christian.

If an individual has not ever heard these passages (and Shiloh contends if that is the case he must have been living under a rock) there's a scant possiblity he may still be able to claim to be a Christian.

Shiloh contends that making a case that the verses do not apply to homosexuality but rather to some other form of immorality is not a matter of interpretation but is an attempt to discredit Scripture.

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Fiosh states: An individual who is a practicing homosexual may still be a Christian if he is truly convinced that Scripture does not call it sin. She asserts that it is possible to interpret those verses that we understand pertain to homosexuality as referring rather to some other form of immorality, such as male prostitution.

If an individual loves the Lord, truly wants to live a life acceptable to God, accepts the Bible as the inspired word of God, but is ignorant of the fact that Scripture calls homosexuality an abomination and sin, it is possible for that individual to be a Christian.

God's mercy is boundless:

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do"

[Fiosh]

Well then I think our preaching to the choir, because Fiosh has already agreed with you and I concur that the homosexuals that use the Bible the way you have stated above are NOT trying to really live in a Christian manner walking in Gods word.

Exactly.

Well, not "exactly." You still hold to the unbiblical premise that a person can still live in aberrant sin and still be a Christian; a position which in the course of this debate you have never been able to support with one passage from the Bible. The fact that you cannot turn to the Bible to find corroboration for your position is both glaringly conspiciuous but is the chief indicator of the weakness and indefensible nature of your assertions.

Scriptural evidence has been provided to show God's mercy on those who sin in ignorance. You continue to create your own paradigm and debate within it. I already stated at least twice that, given your qualifiers, I agree with you. But that's not what I'm trying to defend.

As long as you continue to view this with tunnel vision, we are having 2 different arguments.

Hope you have a pleasant day, Shiloh.

Peace,

Fiosh

The problem Fiosh is that you have a skewed view about what consitutes "ignorance." I have already demonstrated that once a person is faced with what the Scriptures say about homosexuality, they are no longer in ignorance. It doesn't matter how they "interpret" it, it is still not "ignorance," but rebellion.

Again, the Bible does not agree with you and you have been heretofore, unable to produce any biblical defense for your position. Your position amounts to emotional tactics and does not reflect true Christian teaching given to us by the apostles or Jesus Himself.

Shiloh,

Yet again you resort to straw men and ad hominem attacks.

You demand Scripture support for a stance that I do not take.

I've already provided Scripture support for the mercy of God shown to those ignorant of His precepts.

And, you insist on claiming that my position is "emotional", when I am using reason, not emotion to make my case.

Sorry, buddy, you're grasping at straws now.

Peace,

Fiosh

[arvy]

Where in the bible does it say that homosexuality is wrong?

Also Jesus was tempted does that make him a sinner

cor, arvy 'ere.

If you had a bible answer would you receive it, or choose to argue agianst the plain discriptive language of both the Old Testament (The Law, THe Prophets and Psalms), and New Testament Letters of the Apostles?

There is that proper Godly "love and affection" relationship between God and humanity as per the whole. There is also that Godly proper perspective for the mind of "love" between men and men as per sexual orientatio, as well as women to women with respect to sexual orientation, and also as per Male and female with rgard to sexual orientaion.

Read it for yourself and blame no one outside yoourself if you fall into this discriptive "catagory" of what God has spoken loudly to all of us to beware of as being "abominable to HIS pure Mind (Holy Spirit). Lev. 18:22-30; Romans 1:18-32.

The choice and responsibility of following after either "righteous" or "erroneous" counsel is ever to the mind of the individual.

and sin has always been biblically defined as "transgression of the Law," whether of 'the Torra' and 'the prophets'e, or 'The Ten Commandments' specifically.

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh,

Yet again you resort to straw men and ad hominem attacks.

You demand Scripture support for a stance that I do not take.

I've already provided Scripture support for the mercy of God shown to those ignorant of His precepts.

And, you insist on claiming that my position is "emotional", when I am using reason, not emotion to make my case.

Sorry, buddy, you're grasping at straws now.

Peace,

Fiosh

I am not grasping at straws on the grounds that you skew the meaning of ignorance. That is the problem. Since you do not operate from proper view of what constitutes igorance, your "Scripture support" doesn't apply. You cannot support your position if you operate from a conventional and generally accepted understanding of what ignorance is.

Again, you cannot refer to the Bible for your position without redefining key concepts to hide just how unsriptural, weak and beggardly your assertions really are.