Naming the Name of Christ

[Guest Biblicist]

ruck, well said.

My Pastor said there are different types of steps to Salvation. Sometimes we take gazell type leaps and sometimes we take baby steps. But they are all steps in the right direction.

[Scarletprayers]

1. Do you ever sin?

Yes

2. How often do you repent of sin?

Well, I come under the blood everyday. Sometimes I dont know what my paticular sin is, so I ask the Lord to reveal it to me that I may confess the paticular item.

3. Do you believe that an individual with a sinful lifestyle, drug/alcohol addiction for example, can give their life to Christ yet not IMMEDIATELY & completely stop their sinful behavior?

I do believe that one can give their life to Christ and not immediately stop and completely stop CERTIAN sinful behavior. I smoked weed for about 2 to 3 weeks after I was recovered, but as I read the Word, our Lord removed it from me. There are many other things, that have been dealth with, and others that are still being dealth with. There are many things that have to be revealed to us by God as we walk with Him. Then there are other things that are clear cut, plain and simple. We must, as God shows us what needs to be abandoned, demand more grace that we may not continue in sin. Hope I made some type of sense.

Absolutely!

[Fiosh]

1. Do you ever sin?

Yes

2. How often do you repent of sin?

Well, I come under the blood everyday. Sometimes I dont know what my paticular sin is, so I ask the Lord to reveal it to me that I may confess the paticular item.

3. Do you believe that an individual with a sinful lifestyle, drug/alcohol addiction for example, can give their life to Christ yet not IMMEDIATELY & completely stop their sinful behavior?

I do believe that one can give their life to Christ and not immediately stop and completely stop CERTIAN sinful behavior. I smoked weed for about 2 to 3 weeks after I was recovered, but as I read the Word, our Lord removed it from me. There are many other things, that have been dealth with, and others that are still being dealth with. There are many things that have to be revealed to us by God as we walk with Him. Then there are other things that are clear cut, plain and simple. We must, as God shows us what needs to be abandoned, demand more grace that we may not continue in sin. Hope I made some type of sense.

Thanks, ruck, I appreciate your response. And I agree with you.

Here's where I'm having a problem understanding people who think that practicing homosexuals cannot be Christians....

If a homosexual man has himself deluded into believing that the lifestyle is not sinful, he is not in open rebellion to Christ. He may have developed that lifestyle over a 20-30-40 year period, and be unwilling to suddenly admit it is sinful. If he does, it may mean losing a mate, friends, social contacts, etc.

God will begin to convict him as soon as he accepts Christ. But it may take a while before he opens his eyes to the truth and begins to disassociate himself from that lifestyle.

So, if a man loves Jesus with all his heart, but is still struggling to accept that the homosexual lifestyle is sinful, I think he is a Christian.

On the other hand, if a man KNOWS it is sinful, yet doesn't care and continues in it, he cannot call himself a Christian.

Please tell me if and where my thinking is in error.

Thanks,

Fiosh

[st. Worm]

and I believe that as a born-again believer, there is NO WAY that I can actively live my previous life.

I think this sums up what I think our sister is trying to relay. One who actively, or with express intent to live according to the manner of the old man. There are still many things that must be dealth with by our Lord in us. And I pray that we allow Him to do His work. God want's to see Christ, thats it. If one continues to willfully live according to a lifestyle contrary to the Life that he/she supposely has in them then...

We will make mistakes and fall, but these things are so that we demand more of the Life of Christ. He is the only One who can properly live out this human life. It has already been proven. Without Christ we can do nothing.

ruck1b, are you willing to discuss this with me? If so, read my 3 questions to tsth about a page or 2 back and respond.

Thanks,

Fiosh

Too funny. Because they, like the rest of us, have been blown off by the original poster, we now have posters trying to get others to answer their questions since the OP apparently just wants to engage in Bible-thumping. Just for fun it would be interesting if everyone on the site took her approach and posted nothing but Bible verses with no context or explanation. How long would it take before a total meltdown occurred?

blessings to all,

sw

[Scarletprayers]

so accurate sw!

[Fiosh]

and I believe that as a born-again believer, there is NO WAY that I can actively live my previous life.

I think this sums up what I think our sister is trying to relay. One who actively, or with express intent to live according to the manner of the old man. There are still many things that must be dealth with by our Lord in us. And I pray that we allow Him to do His work. God want's to see Christ, thats it. If one continues to willfully live according to a lifestyle contrary to the Life that he/she supposely has in them then...

We will make mistakes and fall, but these things are so that we demand more of the Life of Christ. He is the only One who can properly live out this human life. It has already been proven. Without Christ we can do nothing.

ruck1b, are you willing to discuss this with me? If so, read my 3 questions to tsth about a page or 2 back and respond.

Thanks,

Fiosh

Too funny. Because they, like the rest of us, have been blown off by the original poster, we now have posters trying to get others to answer their questions since the OP apparently just wants to engage in Bible-thumping. Just for fun it would be interesting if everyone on the site took her approach and posted nothing but Bible verses with no context or explanation. How long would it take before a total meltdown occurred?

blessings to all,

sw

It's an issue worth discussing, sw.............at what point does sin disqualify us from being a Christian???

If tsth would rather not participate, it's ok with me. I'd love to continue the discussion with the rest of ya.

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Dueling Scriptures???? we'd need banjo music............

[patricia1]

If you are in agreement and understand the "Slaves to Righteousness" thread, then there is no further need for argument here.

I humbly withdraw from the back and forth on this thread, as I don't believe ANY amount of MY own opinions matter. If the posting of Scripture cannot be used to contend on this topic, then there is no need to go any further, and I do not intend to argue over the Word of God. Obviously this thread has not been edifying to the majority here, for that I am truly sorry. This thread was not to condone sin, but to encourage the walk in the Spirit, pure and simple. I did not want to discuss the flesh, but rather The Spirit.

In His Love,

Suzanne

suzanne I agree with you...If for arguement sake ther cannot be a final conclusion, vain babblings occur and it is a waste of time. No one is being edified,encouraged,reproofed,correction is not warrented so why bother. God Loves us all died for us all rose for; us all and we all have the Same Holy Spirit or even a measure of faith. ( some of us have other spirits. )Each walk is unique unto the person but scripture and God does not change. May all of us be blessed with with even a closer walk with the Most high God, The King of Glory..... Jesus Christ. amen

[Scarletprayers]

If you are in agreement and understand the "Slaves to Righteousness" thread, then there is no further need for argument here.

I humbly withdraw from the back and forth on this thread, as I don't believe ANY amount of MY own opinions matter. If the posting of Scripture cannot be used to contend on this topic, then there is no need to go any further, and I do not intend to argue over the Word of God. Obviously this thread has not been edifying to the majority here, for that I am truly sorry. This thread was not to condone sin, but to encourage the walk in the Spirit, pure and simple. I did not want to discuss the flesh, but rather The Spirit.

In His Love,

Suzanne

suzanne I agree with you...If for arguement sake ther cannot be a final conclusion, vain babblings occur and it is a waste of time. No one is being edified,encouraged,reproofed,correction is not warrented so why bother. God Loves us all died for us all rose for; us all and we all have the Same Holy Spirit or even a measure of faith. ( some of us have other spirits. )Each walk is unique unto the person but scripture and God does not change. May all of us be blessed with with even a closer walk with the Most high God, The King of Glory..... Jesus Christ. amen

You agree with what, throwing out nothing but scriptures with out explaining yourself and how you are trying to use them to discuss the word with others???? I'm glad Jesus didn't try to teach that way.

[st. Worm]

and I believe that as a born-again believer, there is NO WAY that I can actively live my previous life.

I think this sums up what I think our sister is trying to relay. One who actively, or with express intent to live according to the manner of the old man. There are still many things that must be dealth with by our Lord in us. And I pray that we allow Him to do His work. God want's to see Christ, thats it. If one continues to willfully live according to a lifestyle contrary to the Life that he/she supposely has in them then...

We will make mistakes and fall, but these things are so that we demand more of the Life of Christ. He is the only One who can properly live out this human life. It has already been proven. Without Christ we can do nothing.

ruck1b, are you willing to discuss this with me? If so, read my 3 questions to tsth about a page or 2 back and respond.

Thanks,

Fiosh

Too funny. Because they, like the rest of us, have been blown off by the original poster, we now have posters trying to get others to answer their questions since the OP apparently just wants to engage in Bible-thumping. Just for fun it would be interesting if everyone on the site took her approach and posted nothing but Bible verses with no context or explanation. How long would it take before a total meltdown occurred?

blessings to all,

sw

It's an issue worth discussing, sw.............at what point does sin disqualify us from being a Christian???

If tsth would rather not participate, it's ok with me. I'd love to continue the discussion with the rest of ya.

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Dueling Scriptures???? we'd need banjo music............

Please feel free to go back and read my attempts to communicate with her. I think she just cannot differentiate between a believer who struggles with sin and an unbeliever who is totally licentious. As I said before those verses that demand that we be holy and righteous are really more of a problem than a solution regarding sin. The Law is not a remedy for our sin as opposed to confession which brings forgiveness. I don't think anyone is arguing with her about what Christians should be but the reality is that we are holy and righteous only because Christ is holy and righteous. Anything we bring to the table is still tainted with sin and at best we are unprofitable servants. As Pascal said, the true mark of a religious man is his realization about just what a sinner he actually is. There is much here talk about "walking in the Spirit" but this seems to me to be little more than a ride in one's own glorious hot air balloon. When we have to tell people how righteous and holy we are and how we are "walking in the Spirit" then there may be a problem.

sw

[Fiosh]

and I believe that as a born-again believer, there is NO WAY that I can actively live my previous life.

I think this sums up what I think our sister is trying to relay. One who actively, or with express intent to live according to the manner of the old man. There are still many things that must be dealth with by our Lord in us. And I pray that we allow Him to do His work. God want's to see Christ, thats it. If one continues to willfully live according to a lifestyle contrary to the Life that he/she supposely has in them then...

We will make mistakes and fall, but these things are so that we demand more of the Life of Christ. He is the only One who can properly live out this human life. It has already been proven. Without Christ we can do nothing.

ruck1b, are you willing to discuss this with me? If so, read my 3 questions to tsth about a page or 2 back and respond.

Thanks,

Fiosh

Too funny. Because they, like the rest of us, have been blown off by the original poster, we now have posters trying to get others to answer their questions since the OP apparently just wants to engage in Bible-thumping. Just for fun it would be interesting if everyone on the site took her approach and posted nothing but Bible verses with no context or explanation. How long would it take before a total meltdown occurred?

blessings to all,

sw

It's an issue worth discussing, sw.............at what point does sin disqualify us from being a Christian???

If tsth would rather not participate, it's ok with me. I'd love to continue the discussion with the rest of ya.

***************************************

Dueling Scriptures???? we'd need banjo music............

Please feel free to go back and read my attempts to communicate with her. I think she just cannot differentiate between a believer who struggles with sin and an unbeliever who is totally licentious. As I said before those verses that demand that we be holy and righteous are really more of a problem than a solution regarding sin. The Law is not a remedy for our sin as opposed to confession which brings forgiveness. I don't think anyone is arguing with her about what Christians should be but the reality is that we are holy and righteous only because Christ is holy and righteous. Anything we bring to the table is still tainted with sin and at best we are unprofitable servants. As Pascal said, the true mark of a religious man is his realization about just what a sinner he actually is. There is much here talk about "walking in the Spirit" but this seems to me to be little more than a ride in one's own glorious hot air balloon. When we have to tell people how righteous and holy we are and how we are "walking in the Spirit" then there may be a problem.

sw

wise words, sw.

whenever I think I am doing such a fine job at holiness, all I need do is picture myself standing before Christ.

He who is perfect in holiness, truth, beauty and righteousness!

I am forced to my knees, unable to even raise my face to look upon His loveliness---I am not worthy.

Then, He reaches down His hand and draws me to Himself. All my ugliness melts away, washed in His blood.

Peace,

Fiosh