Question from the back of the room

[ted]

the extremists when he becomes president, why is he constantly opposing Bush now?

Well I would assume that he means the terrorists that actually targeted us on 9/11. For example, if Obama were president in 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Obama would have asked congress to declare war against the Empire of Japan. However, if Bush were president in 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Bush would have asked congress to declare war against Japan, then mid way through that war, he would have asked congress to declare war against Thailand, and sent the bulk of our forces there.

I think he'd do just what FDR did, and go after Nazi Germany as well, for the same reasons FDR did: They posed a threat to the world that, if left unchecked, would have grown beyond our means of containment.

t.

[forrestkc]

the extremists when he becomes president, why is he constantly opposing Bush now?

Well I would assume that he means the terrorists that actually targeted us on 9/11. For example, if Obama were president in 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Obama would have asked congress to declare war against the Empire of Japan. However, if Bush were president in 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Bush would have asked congress to declare war against Japan, then mid way through that war, he would have asked congress to declare war against Thailand, and sent the bulk of our forces there.

I think he'd do just what FDR did, and go after Nazi Germany as well, for the same reasons FDR did: They posed a threat to the world that, if left unchecked, would have grown beyond our means of containment.

t.

Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, in response, we declared war against the Empire of Japan. In response, Japans allies, Germany and Italy, declared war against the United States.

[Giaour]

Actually, no... he would have done what was done. He would have asked to go to war against Japan and her allies -- which is exactly what we did.

And, it's what we did here. More and more evidence is coming out of Al Queda's links with Iraq, and only those in severe denial are still pretending that's not the case.

Oh really?

2001 Presidential Daily Briefing

Ten days after the September 11, 2001 attacks, President Bush receives a classified Presidential Daily Briefing (that had been prepared at his request) indicating that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the September 11th attacks and that there was "scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda."

2002 DIA reports

The DIA report also cast significant doubt on the possibility of a Saddam Hussein-al-Qaeda conspiracy: "Saddam

[georgesbluegirl]

...I think he did. Isn't a lot of this simply public record?

[forrestkc]

...I think he did. Isn't a lot of this simply public record?

Yes it is. The Sources would be:

2004 9/11 Commission Report

2004 Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq

2006 Senate Report of Pre-War Intelligence

2007 Pentagon Inspector General Report

Among other Government Reports, all listed in the Original Post. Given the shear number of Intelligence Reports released since the war that found no operational relationship between Iraq under Saddam and Al Qaeda, you would think no one would still be under the misconception that such a relationship ever existed, but evidently some still are under that misconception.

[georgesbluegirl]

...I think he did. Isn't a lot of this simply public record?

Yes it is. The Sources would be:

2004 9/11 Commission Report

2004 Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq

2006 Senate Report of Pre-War Intelligence

2007 Pentagon Inspector General Report

Among other Government Reports, all listed in the Original Post. Given the shear number of Intelligence Reports released since the war that found no operational relationship between Iraq under Saddam and Al Qaeda, you would think no one would still be under the misconception that such a relationship ever existed, but evidently some still are under that misconception.

I've quoted him before and I'll do it again: as Robert Kennedy, Jr. says, "We are the best entertained and the worst informed people on the planet."

[forrestkc]

I've quoted him before and I'll do it again: as Robert Kennedy, Jr. says, "We are the best entertained and the worst informed people on the planet."

Very true.

[ted]

the extremists when he becomes president, why is he constantly opposing Bush now?

Well I would assume that he means the terrorists that actually targeted us on 9/11. For example, if Obama were president in 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Obama would have asked congress to declare war against the Empire of Japan. However, if Bush were president in 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Bush would have asked congress to declare war against Japan, then mid way through that war, he would have asked congress to declare war against Thailand, and sent the bulk of our forces there.

I think he'd do just what FDR did, and go after Nazi Germany as well, for the same reasons FDR did: They posed a threat to the world that, if left unchecked, would have grown beyond our means of containment.

t.

Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, in response, we declared war against the Empire of Japan. In response, Japans allies, Germany and Italy, declared war against the United States.

Yes, I know that.

It didn't matter if Nazi Germany declared war on us or not- we were still going to join the fight in Europe either way.

t.

[forrestkc]

Yes, I know that.

It didn't matter if Nazi Germany declared war on us or not- we were still going to join the fight in Europe either way.

t.

Yeah, but just for the technicality of it, we were going to give them a reason to declare war on us first one way or the other. Back then we had this notion as a nation that war was an absolute last resort, never fought preemptively, and that we did not start wars, we finished them.

[chrisb]

Yes, I know that.

It didn't matter if Nazi Germany declared war on us or not- we were still going to join the fight in Europe either way.

t.

Yeah, but just for the technicality of it, we were going to give them a reason to declare war on us first one way or the other. Back then we had this notion as a nation that war was an absolute last resort, never fought preemptively, and that we did not start wars, we finished them.

Wow. Maybe you need to look back at our history again.

I found Obama's remarks to be completely stupid. Unless you assume that he is willing to take on the job of pacifying Pakistan by force once he attacks them without permission, his remarks were without merit. His admittance that he would never use nukes under any circumstance eliminates him as CIC material anyway.