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[The Lorax]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20226453/site/newsweek/

[Axxman]

Gosh...I can't believe that a Democrat controlled congress did that...

oh ... wait... yes I can

[Axxman]

Gosh...I can't believe that a Democrat controlled congress did that...

oh ... wait... yes I can

Is that you saying it's a good thing or a bad thing? Oh wait, the republicans were in on it too so it MUST be a good thing, so why the attack on democrats?

Actually...I don't care either way. I don't support the idolatry of the Bill of Rights and the various Amendments. The reason I pointed out the democrats on this issue is because the VERY liberal article, written by the VERY liberal journalist didn't seem to quite pin the tail on the 'donkey'...so to speak.

Fact is, the democrats in congress don't have half the backbone that George Bush has to do what they think is right...and I think its funny. Is anyone really surprised that progressive liberalism wants to restrict the Bill of Rights? I'm not.

God is in control.

[hepatocyte]

Gosh...I can't believe that a Democrat controlled congress did that...

oh ... wait... yes I can

Is that you saying it's a good thing or a bad thing? Oh wait, the republicans were in on it too so it MUST be a good thing, so why the attack on democrats?

Actually...I don't care either way. I don't support the idolatry of the Bill of Rights and the various Amendments. The reason I pointed out the democrats on this issue is because the VERY liberal article, written by the VERY liberal journalist didn't seem to quite pin the tail on the 'donkey'...so to speak.

Fact is, the democrats in congress don't have half the backbone that George Bush has to do what they think is right...and I think its funny. Is anyone really surprised that progressive liberalism wants to restrict the Bill of Rights? I'm not.

God is in control.

The idolatry of the Bill of Rights and the various amendments?

Do expound upon your assertion.

[The Lorax]

I don't support the idolatry of the Bill of Rights and the various Amendments.

Did I read that correctly?

[MorningGlory]

I don't support the idolatry of the Bill of Rights and the various Amendments.

Did I read that correctly?

Most of the time, I find myself in agreement with Axxman, but I find that statement troubling. It seems to be along the same lines as the statement Bush made calling the Constitution just a piece of paper. I don't care if it is a Republican or a Democrat making statements attacking the Constitution, they are wrong. The Constitution is the only thing protecting us from an out-of-control government. My biggest criticism with regard to liberals is the way they take liberties with the Constitution instead of holding to it in it's strictest interpretation and seeking to do so by original intent of the authors. To me, it is not a conservative viewpoint to attack the Constitution.

Wow! I'd really like to know what 'idolatry of the Bill of Rights and the various Amendments' means too. Isn't that one of the foundations of this great country or have I been taught wrong since kindergarten????

[Axxman]

Yowsers...sorry to leave you all hanging with my comment. I had a wonderful evening celebrating my wife's birthday...now i will explain.

I am extremely grateful for the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of this country. However, I believe that most Americans practice idolatry when it comes to those documents. I do not. I believe that we have accepted certain "freedoms' in place of Godly righteousness. It is true that I believe myself to be the most pro-government person I've ever known. That isn't because I think the gov't is always right...its because I think God is in control and I am not afraid of losing whatever earthly rights a bunch of humans think I deserve. I have only one right on this earth...To live for my God.

People far greater, and far more Holy than I have lived their lives for God without the 'protections' of the Bill of Rights...who am I to question God when the crutch is taken away. I think that there are very few Christians who are prepared to live without that crutch even though we are warned again, and again in scripture of the persecution Christians will face.

BTW...there is ZERO credible evidence that George Bush called the constitution "just a piece of paper." That tidbit was written by a discredited liar who has been proven to make up sources, and lie about supposedly internal information.

[Axxman]

Thank you Axxman for clearing that matter up. Personally, I don't feel it is idolatry to fight to keep our Constitutional rights, but I see where you are coming from. Also, thanks for pointing that out about the George Bush comment. I remembered reading it in a thread here at Worthy a few weeks back.

It is not idolatry to appreciate the Rights given by the constitution...I agree. I think idolatry comes into play when we start accepting those rights at the cost of righteousness. The First Amendment, for example, gives each and every American the right to idolatry. You can worship whatever you want based on the First Amendment. Many Christians accept this with little or no concern. I hate to point it out but....the First Amendment of the United States flies smack in the face of one of God's most repeated commandments..."Thou shalt have no other God's before me." I think we participate in idolatry when we accept the First Amendment (and its protections) over Godly righteousness.

Don't get me wrong...I am VERY grateful to live in a land where I have the freedom to worship my Saviour freely. However, I could easily give up that 'freedom' because ultimately I would worship my Saviour with, or without, man's decree. While I think most Christians would agree with that, I also see them fighting to save a Constitutional right that is in direct opposition to one of the 10 Commandments. Thats idolatry.

I hope I'm making sense (even if people disagree)...there was a bit of confusion over my initial statement and I'm just trying to clearly address why I said what I said.

[patricia1]

I think freedom of religion has been taken more broadly than it was originally intended. I believe it was given to keep the government from establishing a national church. I do not believe it was intended to give freedom of religion to worship satan or idol gods. That is what it has been used for, but I don't think the authors of the Constitution meant that to be the case. I would have no problem with an amendment to clarify this, and make it clear that freedom of religion only applies to those religions that worship the God of the Bible. The amendment process is part of the Constitution, so adding such amendments is perfectly within our rights as citizens.

I was certainly not on a beach and definitly did not go to see the simpson movie and new this was happening. No surprise. The government is now going to be doing a number of things in the name of safety from terrorists and so forth. a lot of things go on that we will not hear until afterwards. Sorry to say

[Janakev]

I think freedom of religion has been taken more broadly than it was originally intended. I believe it was given to keep the government from establishing a national church. I do not believe it was intended to give freedom of religion to worship satan or idol gods. That is what it has been used for, but I don't think the authors of the Constitution meant that to be the case. I would have no problem with an amendment to clarify this, and make it clear that freedom of religion only applies to those religions that worship the God of the Bible. The amendment process is part of the Constitution, so adding such amendments is perfectly within our rights as citizens.

So much for "Land of the free..."

Edited August 14, 2007 by Janakev