Kabbalah/Jewish Mysticism/Essenes

[Fraught]

I read some things about this recently. One was an article entitled: Kabbalah, The Misunderstood Doctrine. The article stated 3 things about it: 1) that it is an ancient tradition and only taught to advanced students of the Torah by which I read 'not to be taken casually' and 2) that some say it is black magic or evil and 3) some say it is just nonsense.

I also read that John the Baptist may have been an Essene, a Jewish sect of that time that was involved in mysticism.

What is your understanding of this?

[Guest shiloh357]

I read some things about this recently. One was an article entitled: Kabbalah, The Misunderstood Doctrine. The article stated 3 things about it: 1) that it is an ancient tradition and only taught to advanced students of the Torah by which I read 'not to be taken casually' and 2) that some say it is black magic or evil and 3) some say it is just nonsense.

I also read that John the Baptist may have been an Essene, a Jewish sect of that time that was involved in mysticism.

What is your understanding of this?

Kabbalah is occultic/pagan, pure and simple.

John the Baptist was not an Essene and the Bible records nothing about John the Baptist that would lead anyone to believe he was. Some have even tried to say that Jesus was connected to the Essenes, but again no evidence exists.

[Guest Ger_Tzedek]

I read some things about this recently. One was an article entitled: Kabbalah, The Misunderstood Doctrine. The article stated 3 things about it: 1) that it is an ancient tradition and only taught to advanced students of the Torah by which I read 'not to be taken casually' and 2) that some say it is black magic or evil and 3) some say it is just nonsense.

I also read that John the Baptist may have been an Essene, a Jewish sect of that time that was involved in mysticism.

What is your understanding of this?

When the Kaballah is MISUSED, for example, when it is wrongly used for divination, then it becomes a tool of the occut. When Scripture is MISUSED, for example, when it is wrongly used to justify the genocide of Jews, it becomes a tool of evil.

No one is to read Kaballah unless (1) they are at least 40, meaning they have entered into an age of a minimum wisdom, and (2) have been a student of Torah all their life, meaning they have sufficient background and foundation, and (3) have a solid mentor who himself is an export in Torah, as well as Kaballah, and wise in years.

It is also said that unless one has a Jewish soul, that the Kaballah will appear foolish.

[Vickilynn]

I read some things about this recently. One was an article entitled: Kabbalah, The Misunderstood Doctrine. The article stated 3 things about it: 1) that it is an ancient tradition and only taught to advanced students of the Torah by which I read 'not to be taken casually' and 2) that some say it is black magic or evil and 3) some say it is just nonsense.

I also read that John the Baptist may have been an Essene, a Jewish sect of that time that was involved in mysticism.

What is your understanding of this?

When the Kaballah is MISUSED, for example, when it is wrongly used for divination, then it becomes a tool of the occut. When Scripture is MISUSED, for example, when it is wrongly used to justify the genocide of Jews, it becomes a tool of evil.

No one is to read Kaballah unless (1) they are at least 40, meaning they have entered into an age of a minimum wisdom, and (2) have been a student of Torah all their life, meaning they have sufficient background and foundation, and (3) have a solid mentor who himself is an export in Torah, as well as Kaballah, and wise in years.

It is also said that unless one has a Jewish soul, that the Kaballah will appear foolish.

Shalom,

Sorry, doesn't line up with Scripture. Kabbalah is not Scripture, it is mysticism. It goes against Scripture.

Also, there is no such thing as a "Jewish soul." We are Jews if we are of the physical line of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[Guest Ger_Tzedek]

I read some things about this recently. One was an article entitled: Kabbalah, The Misunderstood Doctrine. The article stated 3 things about it: 1) that it is an ancient tradition and only taught to advanced students of the Torah by which I read 'not to be taken casually' and 2) that some say it is black magic or evil and 3) some say it is just nonsense.

I also read that John the Baptist may have been an Essene, a Jewish sect of that time that was involved in mysticism.

What is your understanding of this?

When the Kaballah is MISUSED, for example, when it is wrongly used for divination, then it becomes a tool of the occut. When Scripture is MISUSED, for example, when it is wrongly used to justify the genocide of Jews, it becomes a tool of evil.

No one is to read Kaballah unless (1) they are at least 40, meaning they have entered into an age of a minimum wisdom, and (2) have been a student of Torah all their life, meaning they have sufficient background and foundation, and (3) have a solid mentor who himself is an export in Torah, as well as Kaballah, and wise in years.

It is also said that unless one has a Jewish soul, that the Kaballah will appear foolish.

Shalom,

Sorry, doesn't line up with Scripture. Kabbalah is not Scripture, it is mysticism. It goes against Scripture.

Also, there is no such thing as a "Jewish soul." We are Jews if we are of the physical line of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Hi VickyLynn:

And is your mother Jewish? Or are you gentile? Just curious.

Kaballah is not Torah. Kaballah is mysticicm. How does that mean that it automatically goes against scripture???? I can think of LOTS of things not in scripture that are mystical, such as Calvin Miller's "The Singer," which is so incredibly inspirational, and which certainly does NOT go against scripture. I've been inspired by the mystical poems of John of the Cross, and John Donne. You seem to be a nice person, but your post makes no sense to me.

Shalom

[Vickilynn]

Hi VickyLynn:

And is your mother Jewish? Or are you gentile? Just curious.

Shalom Ger,

You want my pedigree to discuss Kabbalah? What difference does that make?

Are you born-again? Just curious.

Do you know Yeshua as your L-rd and Savior?

Kaballah is not Torah. Kaballah is mysticicm. How does that mean that it automatically goes against scripture???? I can think of LOTS of things not in scripture that are mystical, such as Calvin Miller's "The Singer," which is so incredibly inspirational, and which certainly does NOT go against scripture. I've been inspired by the mystical poems of John of the Cross, and John Donne. You seem to be a nice person, but your post makes no sense to me.

What does it matter if I'm a "nice person" have to do with it? (BTW, many here would disagree with you on that point! ) I'm sorry you are having trouble understanding my post, but I thought I was pretty clear. Kabbalah is mysticism, on that we agree. Does it glory G-d? If so, how?

[Guest Ger_Tzedek]

You want my pedigree to discuss Kabbalah? What difference does that make?

I ask because it is said that only a Jewish soul will understand Kabbalah. To others it appears as nonsense or worse.

Personally, I have never read Kabbalah; just heard bits and pieces. But I can think of no reason to oppose it.

Are you born-again? Just curious.

Do you know Yeshua as your L-rd and Savior?

Yeap. And you?

Kabbalah is mysticism, on that we agree. Does it glory G-d? If so, how?

I'm still waiting for you to explain how it is in your head that you connect mysticism with being anti-Biblical.

I would say that anything which brings people closer to HaShem glorifies HaKadosh, baruch hu.

[Rebmilc]

I read some things about this recently. One was an article entitled: Kabbalah, The Misunderstood Doctrine. The article stated 3 things about it: 1) that it is an ancient tradition and only taught to advanced students of the Torah by which I read 'not to be taken casually' and 2) that some say it is black magic or evil and 3) some say it is just nonsense.

I also read that John the Baptist may have been an Essene, a Jewish sect of that time that was involved in mysticism.

What is your understanding of this?

Kabbalah is occultic/pagan, pure and simple.

John the Baptist was not an Essene and the Bible records nothing about John the Baptist that would lead anyone to believe he was. Some have even tried to say that Jesus was connected to the Essenes, but again no evidence exists.

Except in the mind of Dan Brown

[Guest shiloh357]

Ger Tzedek,

I am an ethnic Jew, and I have "Jewish soul" as you say, but it is the Holy Spirit which keeps me away from the Kabbalah. The Kabbalah is occultic. It is not biblical, in that it violates God's commandments to the Jewish people to avoid belief systems of the pagans. It does not bring anyone closer to God. In fact, it drives them away from Him.

You may believe what you want, but I would remind you that this is Christian messageboard. Discussing what Kabbalah is, is one thing. But do not attempt to promote or advocate Kabbalah.

[Vickilynn]

I ask because it is said that only a Jewish soul will understand Kabbalah. To others it appears as nonsense or worse.

Shalom Ger,

Yes, I am a Jew. My parents (both) and their parents (both) and their parents (both) and so on.

And NO, I do not believe there is any such thing as a "Jewish soul" in the way that you use use it. THAT, friend, is not Scriptural. I believe that is elitist, unScriptural pride speaking, not truth.

Personally, I have never read Kabbalah; just heard bits and pieces. But I can think of no reason to oppose it.

Then why are you so adamant to endorse it, without knowledge? What makes you think you are correct and I am incorrect?

Are you born-again? Just curious.

Do you know Yeshua as your L-rd and Savior?

Yeap. And you?

Yes, for 30 years now.

And my pedigree is intact. Which has nothing to do with any of this discussion. So, we move on to the facts.

Kabbalah is mysticism, on that we agree. Does it glory G-d? If so, how?

I'm still waiting for you to explain how it is in your head that you connect mysticism with being anti-Biblical.

I would say that anything which brings people closer to HaShem glorifies HaKadosh, baruch hu.

But it DOESN'T bring people closer to G-d, it is false and it is occult, which we are told to stay away from. Prove how it brings people closer to G-d.