Baptism for the dead?

[Thaddaeus]

Eliyahuw,

just like you cannot undo a circumsision, you cannot undo salvation.

Then you obviously believe that every single Jew before Christ has been saved. Including King Ahab. By the way, how were women saved in the OT since they were not circumcised?

But seriously, some of your statements are right from the hip.

Again, you are making your Gospel only four or five lines long. You might as well discard all the rest since you continually disregard what Scripture is teaching. Especially after several others have enlightened you as well.

your main cause of confusion is that you do not understand the creation of man, the purpose of our very existance.

You are constantly conflating salvation of mankind and the individual salvation of our souls as the same thing. Thus your massive confusion over the "works" texts. When discussing any thing about a believer, one can separate from the salvation of mankind, the Work of Christ on the Cross. It redeemed mankind from the fall. The fall is an interrupter of the work man and God were doing together before the fall. We were given life and our sins propitiated so that as human beings, saved from the curse of Adam, the condemnation of death, could unite with God freely. We must get on with the reason we were created, now that we are immortal, eternal and can live with Him for an eternity. Without immortality all the faith in the world will not save you. You could possibly have a relationship with God in this life through sacrifices as the OT saints did, but any relationship would end at death. Man became mortal through the judgement against Adam. That was a problem man could not fix, no amount of works will give any man life. How can a dead, mortal being give himself life. And if you do not have life, you also cannot enter into an eternal union with God by faith. Death precludes it, thus the need for Christ to overcome that death.

Until you understand these relationships you will not understand the scriptural meaning of salvation. The whole plan of salvation.

This does get us right back to the OP of this thread. Why baptise anyone, if the dead are not to be raised. This is in I Cor 15 and I Cor 15 is the heart of the Gospel relative to the importance and meaning of the resurrection. If the dead be not raised, then our faith is vain, and so is baptism. Faith does not grant eternal life, ONLY Christ through the Incarnation, taking on our human natures and raising them to life, immortality. All men shall be raised. If even one is not raised, Christ failed and none will be raised. Not a single human being will be lost to death, physical death. The only death man must fear is spiritual death, unbelief. Faith is the key and it is through that faith, the works, by which we are saved individually justified before God. We will need to give a good account of our works at the judgement seat of Christ. Rev 20:12. No place will you find that we are judged by our faith. Why, because it is the faith couplied with works that will save us. Works is evidence of faith. He that believeth. It is an active, constant faith, of believing. When we lose faith, we are no longer believing. Thus we are no longer a believer, but an unbeliever.

Follow faith, you follow salvation of your soul.

[Guest]

Baptized?

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13

Receive

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:8

Confess

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:9-10

Believe!

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

See Jesus And Be Blessed

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Joe