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[forrestkc]

So, we should just hand over the entire control and direction of our country to the experts?

Yes, we should. If you are an expert in a field, then your expert opinion in your field of expertise should carry more weight than the rants spouted off by some talk radio blowhard.

You try to set yourselves apart as a separate class of society that thinks they know more than anyone else and that they know what's best for this country.

I got news for you, conservatives, moderates, libertarians etc. have college/ivy league degrees too.

Yes, and the moderates, conservatives, libertarians and so on with professional degrees generally all agree with each other in the field of their expertise. For example, biologists universally hold the belief that all life descended from a common ancestry. They hold that belief regardless of their political ideology. Economists almost universally dismiss supply side economics regardless of their personal ideology. Climatologists almost universally accept Anthropogenic Global Warming regardless of their political ideology.

Thats the problem with you guys, you automatically assume that anyone that disagrees with you is a liberal when in fact, their just better informed as to the issue in question. Most economists are libertarian, yet they disagree with the notions of the hard right. Most foreign policy experts are moderate or conservative, yet they disagree with the policies of the Bush Administration. Most scientists are apolitical or libertarian, yet they almost universally disagree with the socially conservative right. This war against scientists and experts is simply nothing but arrogance on the part of the far right. I mean, one has to pretty arrogant to think that something has occurred to them that has not occurred to people who have devoted a life of study to the issue.

[kat8585]

Most economists are libertarian, yet they disagree with the notions of the hard right.

Most libertarians want the government out of our pocketbooks.

[JustinM]

quote forrestkc: "Yes, we should. If you are an expert in a field, then your expert opinion in your field of expertise should carry more weight than the rants spouted off by some talk radio blowhard."

NO, . . .WE SHOULDN'T!!!!!!!!!!!

So, is Congress an expert when it comes to war? Are you an expert when it comes to war? So, then why would you disregard the expert opinion of a General, when it comes to war?

Why would you disregard the expert opinion of those opposed to AGW?

If I wanted my parents to raise me and continue to control my life, I wouldn't have joined the Service and travelled the world and I love my parents.

Why then, would I want anyone else to control my life for me. I have lived long enough to know what's best for me.

Socialism is one of the things that is not in my best interest. Anyone that promotes it, supports it, or tries to implement it, is no friend of mine and no one I wish to associate with, in fact, if I had it my way, all socialists would be sent back to the filthy cesspool where that idiotology emerged.

[JustinM]

Yeah, and collectively those people are wrong. What is popular isn't always right, what is right, isn't always popular. My life and how I live it, will not be decided by a popularity contest.

[rtwo]

So, we should just hand over the entire control and direction of our country to the experts?

Yes, we should. If you are an expert in a field, then your expert opinion in your field of expertise should carry more weight than the rants spouted off by some talk radio blowhard.

You try to set yourselves apart as a separate class of society that thinks they know more than anyone else and that they know what's best for this country.

I got news for you, conservatives, moderates, libertarians etc. have college/ivy league degrees too.

Yes, and the moderates, conservatives, libertarians and so on with professional degrees generally all agree with each other in the field of their expertise. For example, biologists universally hold the belief that all life descended from a common ancestry. They hold that belief regardless of their political ideology. Economists almost universally dismiss supply side economics regardless of their personal ideology. Climatologists almost universally accept Anthropogenic Global Warming regardless of their political ideology.

I assume, since you're talking for these large groups of people, you have polls, quotes and other sources of information to substantiate your claim?

[forrestkc]

So, we should just hand over the entire control and direction of our country to the experts?

Yes, we should. If you are an expert in a field, then your expert opinion in your field of expertise should carry more weight than the rants spouted off by some talk radio blowhard.

You try to set yourselves apart as a separate class of society that thinks they know more than anyone else and that they know what's best for this country.

I got news for you, conservatives, moderates, libertarians etc. have college/ivy league degrees too.

Yes, and the moderates, conservatives, libertarians and so on with professional degrees generally all agree with each other in the field of their expertise. For example, biologists universally hold the belief that all life descended from a common ancestry. They hold that belief regardless of their political ideology. Economists almost universally dismiss supply side economics regardless of their personal ideology. Climatologists almost universally accept Anthropogenic Global Warming regardless of their political ideology.

I assume, since you're talking for these large groups of people, you have polls, quotes and other sources of information to substantiate your claim?

Which one? Evolution is a foundational law of biology. Anthropogenic Global Warming is the Scientific Consensus. And I don't know of a single supply side economics department of any university in America.

[rtwo]

So, we should just hand over the entire control and direction of our country to the experts?

Yes, we should. If you are an expert in a field, then your expert opinion in your field of expertise should carry more weight than the rants spouted off by some talk radio blowhard.

You try to set yourselves apart as a separate class of society that thinks they know more than anyone else and that they know what's best for this country.

I got news for you, conservatives, moderates, libertarians etc. have college/ivy league degrees too.

Yes, and the moderates, conservatives, libertarians and so on with professional degrees generally all agree with each other in the field of their expertise. For example, biologists universally hold the belief that all life descended from a common ancestry. They hold that belief regardless of their political ideology. Economists almost universally dismiss supply side economics regardless of their personal ideology. Climatologists almost universally accept Anthropogenic Global Warming regardless of their political ideology.

I assume, since you're talking for these large groups of people, you have polls, quotes and other sources of information to substantiate your claim?

Which one? Evolution is a foundational law of biology. Anthropogenic Global Warming is the Scientific Consensus. And I don't know of a single supply side economics department of any university in America.

I'm not the one that made the claim. You claim "scientific consensus" on global warming, where there is none, and, in fact, many, many scientists deny anthropogenic global warming. Many well-educated scientists are still against macro-evolution. It was -your- claim above. Substantiate it.

[forrestkc]

I'm not the one that made the claim. You claim "scientific consensus" on global warming, where there is none, and, in fact, many, many scientists deny anthropogenic global warming. Many well-educated scientists are still against macro-evolution. It was -your- claim above. Substantiate it.

Scientific Consensus on Global Warming:

International Statements

Below is a list of joint statements calling for action on mitigating climate change. The National Academies representing the 21 following countries and districts have signed joint statements:

Australia

Belgium

Brazil

Caribbean

Canada China

France

Germany

India

Indonesia Ireland

Italy

Japan

Malaysia

Mexico New Zealand

Russia

South Africa

Switzerland

United Kingdom United States

G8 Statement

National Academy of Sciences: 2007 Joint science academies

[JustinM]

AGW is experiencing many defectors and "traitors" and apostates in it's religion. It's hardly the concensus it once was 2 weeks ago.

Evolution. "We all came from pond scum." Hardly the type of creation best suited to Glorify the omnipotence of God, it can't think, see, smell, speak or hear.

If evolution is the natural process, why are humans the only creatures that can organize thoughts into words that every species can understand or even invent something as complicated as abstract thinking or quantum physics etc?

There is no truth in the animal kingdom, only reality, that's what inferior species face on a day to day basis. If you were to lie to an animal, it wouldn't understand the difference.

Only humans understand that concept and only humans willfully disregard it. That is divine programming from God.

[forrestkc]

AGW is experiencing many defectors and "traitors" and apostates in it's religion. It's hardly the concensus it once was 2 weeks ago.

Please provide on peer reviewed article or study that challenges it. In popular right wing mythology, its not a consensus, but in the scientific community, it is.

If evolution is the natural process, why are humans the only creatures that can organize thoughts into words that every species can understand or even invent something as complicated as abstract thinking or quantum physics etc?

Because of 6 million years worth of evolution, thats why. Why would you think that no one in the scientific community has thought of that? I certainly believe that God is part of the process, but from a scientific perspective, we all evolved from a common ancestry.