The Rapture Is Coming, (Watch ye) therefore

[patricia1]

I did not read all the posts so if I repeat anything I am sorry. Some I have read.

During the melennium are mortals. 1000 year reign with Jesus. In order for Jesus to be true to His word All need to here the Gospel. There will be those coming through tribulation, new generation. I liken it to When Israelites wandering in the wilderness.. God our father had a purpose...and the new generations after the older died crossed over the Jordan with Joshua. Not exactly the same but perhaps helpful... patricia1

[Isa]

I did not read all the posts so if I repeat anything I am sorry. Some I have read.

During the melennium are mortals. 1000 year reign with Jesus. In order for Jesus to be true to His word All need to here the Gospel. There will be those coming through tribulation, new generation. I liken it to When Israelites wandering in the wilderness.. God our father had a purpose...and the new generations after the older died crossed over the Jordan with Joshua. Not exactly the same but perhaps helpful... patricia1

Hi Patricia1,

yes it is motals that go into the Millennial reign but I believe the gospel message is not preached there becaus Christ is ruling as King over the nations with a rod of iron. The gospel message is not needed anymore for the King has arrived.

What I liken to the wilderness wanderings is Israel having to go back into the wilderness where God Himself takes care of them whilst there is tribulation on the earth. After the tribulation period God brings them into the promised land to be priests to the nations.

Revelation 12:13-17

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Zechariah 8:23

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[Isa]

all the confusion regarding eschatology boils down to a failure to maintain the distinction between Israel and the Church

the Church is NOT the "new Jews", we were not part of the first 483 years of Daniel's prophecy, and we won't be part of the last 7, either

Eph 2:11-19 out of 2 he has made 1 new man,Rom 10:12 there is no difference between jew and greek.

I think those 2 verses as well as many others just threw a wrench in you ''belief system'' wordoftruth.

That's right onwingsaseagles the last seven years has nothing to do with the church. We won't be here for the tribulation that comes on the world and tests the Jews. It is an hour of testing for the Jews and an Hour of tribulation for the world

[Isa]

all the confusion regarding eschatology boils down to a failure to maintain the distinction between Israel and the Church

the Church is NOT the "new Jews", we were not part of the first 483 years of Daniel's prophecy, and we won't be part of the last 7, either

Eph 2:11-19 out of 2 he has made 1 new man,Rom 10:12 there is no difference between jew and greek.

I think those 2 verses as well as many others just threw a wrench in you ''belief system'' wordoftruth.

That's right onwingsaseagles the last seven years has nothing to do with the church. We won't be here for the tribulation that comes on the world and tests the Jews. It is an hour of testing for the Jews and an Hour of tribulation for the world

Isa,The scriptures I gave prove your theory wrong.Why did you say that's right and then contradict what the bible says?

I was actually replying to wordoftruth sorry I put the wrong name down but I said that is right because we know the church isn't here during the seven yrs. God deals with Israel again.

AS you don't believe in the rapture, you won't realize that in that seven yr period God is dealing with Israel alone, He brings Israel back to Him, the Gentiles no longer are involed in the promise, they go along for the ride, they are once again treated as aliens. Israel turns back to their Messiah when they notice the rapture and they believe. They become jealous and zealous for their Messiah all in one. Jealous because the church was right and had gone to be with their Messiah. Zealous in the search for their Messiah, they now seek Him once again and sacrifice to Him.

What do I mean that God no longer deals with the Gentiles and they just come along for the ride?

In the 7yr tribulation God's wrath is poured out on the unbelieving nations, Israel is protected, for God said He would save Himself a remnant. Israel worships the Messiah from the temple but the outer court has been left for the Gentiles. Once again there seems to be a partition put up between Israel and the Gentiles, just like in the days of Rahab, the Egyptians and many others who were saved if they believed in Israel's God.

Revelation 11:1-3

The Two Witnesses

1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying,

Edited December 1, 2007 by Isa

[Massorite]

(Watch ye) therefore,

Bride of Christ

Revelation 3:10

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the (hour (Greek, hora- season) of (temptation (Greek, peirasmos- adversity or tribulation) which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The prerequisite to receiving the promise in this scripture is to patiently keep His Word or put another way,to be a consistent doer of the Word,full of faith!

There are many wonderful benefits to being the Bride, but the one that is mentioned in Revelation 3:10 certainly will be a welcome blessing.

The word From in Greek is as"out of" (Greek word, ek)Strong's Number: 1537 out of, away from

Jesus promises to keep us "from" or as the Greek word reads, "out of " the season of tribulation that is about to come upon the whole world to try all those that are left behind to dwell upon the earth.

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(36Watch ye) therefore,

worthy to (escape) all these things that shall come to pass,

(escape)as Rapture

Luke 21:34-36

(And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares)

35For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

(36Watch ye) therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

king Jesus Christ prophetically warned, Take heed to yourselves, lest at anytime your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting (overindulgence)and drunkenness, and the cares of this life, so that day come upon you unawares.(Watch ye) therefore, and (pray always) that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things .

(Luke 21:34-36) Here, in praying always, it is the Christians that are instructed to be sober,and not to be overtaken with overindulgence and the cares of this life,not just the unbeliever (1 Thessalonians 5:6-8) First, note that unbelievers do not believe.

Secondly, unbelievers do not pray,and Worship God! nor will they pray always,and Watch which is an explicit Christian directive for saved Christians to be Watching in preparation for King Jesus Christ! Lest That Day overtake them unawares.

We must continue to share,and teach the Powerful Gospel with anyone,and everyone at all Times!

One must remember to Pray the Back sliders, Lukewarm, and unbelievers Wake up(Romans 13:11) get Saved, and abide in King Jesus Christ!

Also we must continue to share, and teach that the Christians need to (Wake up) (Watch)and (Abide) in our wonderful King Jesus Christ!

One must walk with God at all Times! Abide, Dabaq(Hebrew)

Watching for our Blessed Hope, Jesus Christ to Rapture us to the New Jerusalem(Heaven) (Blessed) are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find (watching:) as shared in Proverbs 8:34,Luke 12:37,and Revelation 16:15 We are told many Times in the Bible to WATCH, and Notice Revelation 3:3 Shares those who are not Watching, He will come like a Thief. Now is the Time to Watch for King Jesus Christ, and Love his Appearing!Infact if you Love his Appearing you will receive a Special Crown! 2 Timothy 4:8

[Isa]

Hi guys,

A theif comes into those who are not prepared, who sleep or are out getting drunk with the worldly things. He has commanded His bride to watch for His return. So as He comes in as a theif to some He will come as a Saviour to others. We have found salvationthrough Jesus hrist, we will not be here to go through the wrath that is poured out on man. As I have said times before Jesus is the one who opens the scroll and as each seal is broken a little bit of God's wrath is poured out on the earth it is God's and the Lamb's judgment upon mankind. The church is not there for this they were patient, waiting and watching for the return of our Lord. People say the Lord is not coming back until His second coming. I say the Lord will come again for His bride and take her home with Him. During the old Testament days did not the Lord interact many times with His people without actually coming physically in body. Look at when He appeared to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and many others to many to mention, I believe He will return and take His bride who is ready for Him. I believe He will take us away like He took Elijah and Enoch away because they were faithful servants.

1 Thessalonians 5:8-10

8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

It is God's wrath poured out on the wicked He has promised we will not suffer from His wrath we will be taken away from it, we will be caught up to be with our Lord in heaven.

[Isa]

So, no not all Israel will be saved.

the "all" are the Elect of Israel, just as Christ died for the sins of "all", but it is only effectual for the Elect

The Israel of God is composed of both Jews and Gentiles

wrong!

Israel is Israel! Stop trying to mix and match the Church and God's special convenants with Israel! If you keep reading in Romans 11, instead of quotng the "wild olive branch" passage out of context over and over again, you will see the covenant with Abraham and the promises made to Israel concerning the Kingdom were not cancelled because of the Church! They are yet to be fulfilled. The last three commissions of the six given to Israel in Daniel 9 are also yet to be fulfilled.

The 144,000 are the special Jewish witnesses of God during Daniel's 70th Week. Why does God need them when the Church is still here? I have yet to here a logical rebuttal to that argument from anyone.

I agree with you wordoftruth, they will not undrstand the truth of God's word unless they seperate the Jew and the church. We are grafted onto the vine because they rejected their Messiah but it does not mean God has fully rejected them. God made a covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and it has not been fullfilled yet, it will not be fullfilled ubtil the millennial kingdom reign, where they will receive the land completely as their inheritance.

[Isa]

all the confusion regarding eschatology boils down to a failure to maintain the distinction between Israel and the Church

the Church is NOT the "new Jews", we were not part of the first 483 years of Daniel's prophecy, and we won't be part of the last 7, either

Eph 2:11-19 out of 2 he has made 1 new man,Rom 10:12 there is no difference between jew and greek.

I think those 2 verses as well as many others just threw a wrench in you ''belief system'' wordoftruth.

That's right onwingsaseagles the last seven years has nothing to do with the church. We won't be here for the tribulation that comes on the world and tests the Jews. It is an hour of testing for the Jews and an Hour of tribulation for the world

Isa,The scriptures I gave prove your theory wrong.Why did you say that's right and then contradict what the bible says?

I was actually replying to wordoftruth sorry I put the wrong name down but I said that is right because we know the church isn't here during the seven yrs. God deals with Israel again.

I dont know who we is but it wouldn't include any one that accepts what the bible has to say on this subject.

The we includes all that excepts what the bible says on this subject because we do know the truth for we have read the truth and except the truth as God's word. God has shown us in many ways that the church won't be here in the seven yr period and He has shown us in that seven yr period He deals with Israel and also the wicked on the earth.

[Massorite]

So, no not all Israel will be saved.

the "all" are the Elect of Israel, just as Christ died for the sins of "all", but it is only effectual for the Elect

The Israel of God is composed of both Jews and Gentiles

wrong!

Israel is Israel! Stop trying to mix and match the Church and God's special convenants with Israel! If you keep reading in Romans 11, instead of quotng the "wild olive branch" passage out of context over and over again, you will see the covenant with Abraham and the promises made to Israel concerning the Kingdom were not cancelled because of the Church! They are yet to be fulfilled. The last three commissions of the six given to Israel in Daniel 9 are also yet to be fulfilled.

The 144,000 are the special Jewish witnesses of God during Daniel's 70th Week. Why does God need them when the Church is still here? I have yet to here a logical rebuttal to that argument from anyone.

You won't get a "logical" rebuttal either because what you are saying is what the bible says. God's promises to Israel are still in force and the church did not replace the Jewish people as the "apple" of God's eye. Can a Jew suffer eternal damnation? Yes! If a Jew dies without Christ in their life he will suffer the consequences of his choices. But until death he is still the apple of God's eye.

[Isa]

All you have written is nothing but the same ol' pre-trib theories with no scripture to back it up.

Isaiah isn't part of the scripture? Interesting that all you ever quote is the NT, which is typical of the "Kingdom-Church" movement

I have already shown you how the word elect is used all through the scriptures from the hebrew to greek to english translations

and I quoted an OT passage which clearly shows it doesn't refer to the Church

but, anyway, use of the term "Elect" is not the issue here, so let's drop that, I'm well aware of the fact "the Elect" can refer to either the Elect of Israel or the Elect of the Church (including Messianic Jews) or the Elect of the Tribulation (Jews and Gentiles), depending on the context

the issue is whether 1) the Church is here during Daniel's 70th Week, the last seven years of the 490 year time period specifically alotted to Israel (Daniel 9), and 2) whether God's promises specifically to Israel, yet unfulfilled, have been "adopted" by the Church

the correct answer is "no" to both

Like toni said you have no scripture,the bible clearly teaches that all who have believe have become citizens of Israel with the saints,That God has torn down the wall of partition between us through the blood of his dear son and made of two,one new man.

God may have torn down the wall at this stage of time but there is coming a time when that wall is put back up and there is a difference between the Jew and the Gentile once again. The church has been raptured out b4 the tribulation and He deals with Israel again.

Revelation 11:1,2

1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying,