It's a world war

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Unfortunately it is the Israeli brutality against the Palestinians that is the root cause of Arab anger. Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has violated every law and moral standard on the books. Some 750,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes in 1948-1949, and since then thousands more have been pushed out by force, their houses demolished.

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[JohnS]

Unfortunately it is the Israeli brutality against the Palestinians that is the root cause of Arab anger. Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has violated every law and moral standard on the books. Some 750,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes in 1948-1949, and since then thousands more have been pushed out by force, their houses demolished.

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[Guest shiloh357]

Unfortunately it is the Israeli brutality against the Palestinians that is the root cause of Arab anger

Oh really? How do explain Arab anger prior to rebirth of Israel? How do explain Arab anger that forced 5 Arab nations launch a war one after Israel was born. How is it that the Arabs terrorized Israel for 19 years prior to the "creation" of a fake people called "Palestinians?" Where was the root of that anger.

The truth is, nothing good has ever come from the Arabs. They have not yet been able to produce any kind of government infrastructure capapble of bringing the Arab world out of the 8th century. Israel stands as a living reproach to the Arab world's inability to adapt 21st century. In a paultry 56 years, Israel has accomplished a level of development and prosperity that the Arab world could not accomplish in the last 20 centuries. Their hatred of Israel stems from jealousy and the fact that they have been soundly defeated and utterly humiliated every time they tried to topple Israel.

Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has violated every law and moral standard on the books.

That is incorrect. Israel has treated the Palestinians quite humanely, generally speaking. Israel is the only country in the Middleeast that offers the Palestinians free, top notch health/medical care. Even the Palestinian terrorists who survive clashes with Israeli soldiers are treated for free at Israeli hospitals.

Israel is the only country in the Middleeast that is allowing the Palestinians to live off of Israeli social security and welfare. The Arab world has contributed nothing. While the Palestinians were under Arab control for 19 years, Palestinian children were dying of preventable diseases and both Jordan and Egypt turned a blind eye to their plight. After Israel took control of the territoriesin 1967, the mortality rate among Palestinian children dropped by 200%, and by nearly as much among adults. The standard of living among the Palestinians is more than 100% better than anything they had when Jordan and Egypt were calling the shots.

Israel has built permanent housing for the Palestinians at the Israeli taxpayer's expense. Israel has gone into Arab towns and constructed modern sewage systems and treatment plants where before, the "sewer" was an open trench in the middle of the street.

Israel is the only country in the Middleeastwhere Palestinians can become citizens and enjoy freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the benefits of a higher education, prosperity, and the right to criticize the government without fear of retribution.

Compare that with the gender apartheid going on in countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, Syria, et al. Compare Israel with Arab countries that require female "circumcision" and where women are nothing but chattle and slaves to be regarded as personal property. That is especially true amongst the Palestinians under the Arafat regime. Compare Israel with Arab countries that have no due process of law, where you can be taken out and shot in the street on a mere suspicion. Compare Israel with the Palestinian community that engages in "honor" killings. Women even suspected of maritial infidelity or promiscuity are killed by family members without the benefit of legal protection, and on a whim, with no evidence in many cases.

Of course, we also have the suicide bombers and the other terrorists who target and blow up little chilren and the elderly on a regular basis. I would submit that terrorism is the ultimate human rights violation. Killing little children who have not hurt anyone, and who have nothing to do with the current conflict, is immoral. When the Palestinians resorted to terrorism, they lost the moral high ground a long time ago.

Some 750,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes in 1948-1949,

First of all your dates are wrong. In 1947 the UN recognised the formation of Israel to be allowed to occur on May 14, 1948. In advance of the recreation of Israel, the Arab community worldwide declared that they would choke the infant nation out of existance the minute it was born. On May 15, 1948 Israel was attacked by 5 (some say 6) Arab nations in a joint attempt to destroy the fledgling nation. Outnumbered 70 to 1, and without the benefit of an air force, Israel courageously, and single handedly defended themselves and soundly defeated the Arab alliance, to the amazement, and shock of a watching world who was rooting for the Arabs.

In the months leading up the war, it was the Arabs, not the Israelis that encouraged, and in many cases, forced the Arabs living in Israel to flee into WestBank, in lieu of the coming attack. The plan was that when the war was over and Israel had been destroyed, the Arabs (the ones we now call Palestinians) would have their own home back, and one that belonged to a dead Jew. OF course that plan failed. Israsel agreed to repatirate the Arabs living in the West Bank, under certain conditions, but the Arabs refused to let them return. The Arabs have forced the Palestinians to remain refugees in order to use their refugee status as a weapon against Israel in the arena of public opinion.

and since then thousands more have been pushed out by force, their houses demolished.

What are your sources of authority for the claims that you make? Where do you get your numbers from. Houses of terrorists have been demolished and Israel was right to do that. Terrorists have to made to pay a price. It is also statement to would be terrorists as to what will happen to their homes. Israel has actually seen a marked and notable decrease in terrorism as a result of this tactic. BTW, it is important to make a distinction here. Many houses in residential areas utilized by the terrorists serve military purposes. In some cases, houses have been converted in to "Barracks." They house Palestinian "warriors" in much the same way that barracks house US soldiers on military posts. So when "homes" of the Palesitnians get demolished, that is in part, what is being talked about. Those homes or barracks then become legitimate military targets. Unfortunately, the media does not make that distinction for us. Also many of the houses demolished were not being lived in at all. They served as ammo dumps, bomb making factories, and armories. Basically these were military depots and Israel had every right to demolish them.

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[Leonard]

Jesus Christ Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

Shiloh! I am shocked at you! Don't you read the papers!?!

How could you have missed all the reports about Rabbis in Israel arming and inciting their congregations every shabat to go kill Palestinians? Haven't you read about all the Israeli children who are so cynically used by Israeli adults to go into Palestinian civilian areas packed with bombs to explode themselves and deliberately kill Palestinian noncombatants?

Haven't you seen how these Israelis are going all over the world blowing up planes and buses, and trains? How about the 15 Israelis who took over those jets, and destroyed the WTC killing 3,000 Americans in Manhattan? How about the Jews who are burning Mosques throughout Europe?

Man, Shi! Sounds like YOU really need to pull YOUR head of the sand! Huh? What's that, you said? I GOT IT BACKWARDS!??! It's actually Moslems doing all these horrible things to Jews? It was Moslems who did all these international acts of terrorism. Well, I made a little mistake!!! Guess I've been reading the newspaper upside down or something......

Shiloh, as I'm sure you have observed, it's an endless battle, this correcting of those who have been deceived by the wicked one to love iniquity, murder, and savagery. Whenever someone decides that 'evil is good, and good is evil,' antichrist twittery will abound. It is nonetheless a good to keep on confounding them with the truth.

FACTS ARE STUBBORN THINGS, Brother Shiloh; keep up the good work.

With a blessing ,

Leonard, a sinner

[Work in Progress]

John Adams, second president of the U.S., a brilliant philosopher and a Christian said that in 'probably 200 years or so' America would have to fight the whole Muslim world. And that when this great clash of civilizations came, America would probably have to do it alone.

Could we have a source for this please? A search is turning up nothing. Thank you.

[Guest yod]

Nebuchanezzar....the truth is plain for anyone who wishes to know it. You have been duped if you really believe that crud.

However, I find that anyone who falls for such idiotic propoganda does so because they are already predisposed to hatred and/or envy of the jews because they are the Chosen People of the book. Is that where you are?

If you are willfully swallowing lies without thought or investigation you are like a blind man following the blind.

This position is ALWAYS the result of ignorance of the Old Testament promises to the Patriarchs (Do you know who they are?) and a heavy dose of Replacement Theology. In other words, you have been taught that Israel was rejected and now the church is the "new" Israel. Could we examine the scriptures together on that?

Do you not realize that God has used the jewish people to bring salvation to YOU? Do you not realize that God is trying to use us to bring salvation back to them? Do you not know that Yeshua will restore Israel in the not-too-distant future and make Jerusalem His throne?

The devil know this well.

That's why we have people calling darkness light....and truth is hidden from those who have no light. Here is the truth. Believe it.

Israel wants peace. Muslims want blood.

[Leonard]

The personal papers of John Adams. They are published, but maybe not in print. We just moved and many of my books are still packed, or I could get you a lot closer than that reference.

Oh, I did find it on the web too. Maybe at some Presidential Library site. That's a good start.

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh! I am shocked at you! Don't you read the papers!?!

How could you have missed all the reports about Rabbis in Israel arming and inciting their congregations every shabat to go kill Palestinians? Haven't you read about all the Israeli children who are so cynically used by Israeli adults to go into Palestinian civilian areas packed with bombs to explode themselves and deliberately kill Palestinian noncombatants?

Haven't you seen how these Israelis are going all over the world blowing up planes and buses, and trains? How about the 15 Israelis who took over those jets, and destroyed the WTC killing 3,000 Americans in Manhattan? How about the Jews who are burning Mosques throughout Europe?

Man, Shi! Sounds like YOU really need to pull YOUR head of the sand! Huh? What's that, you said? I GOT IT BACKWARDS!??! It's actually Moslems doing all these horrible things to Jews? It was Moslems who did all these international acts of terrorism. Well, I made a little mistake!!! Guess I've been reading the newspaper upside down or something......

Silly me, what was I thinking!!!

Actually I find it both sad and humorous that people like Nebuchadnezzar would try to blame every act of terrorism on Israel. It is silly isnt it? That would be like me saying, "I hate my next door neighbor, so I am going go kill my doctor." Pure insanit!! Sad to say, but you cannot reason with people like Nebuchadnezzar. They do not operate from a rational assumption.

[Guest Sportster]

Neb,you are correct about one thing...the Palestinians HAVE been abused and hurt and neglected and used....by their OWN people! The arabs are using them to try to hurt Israel. They don't care about them,only to use them for their own ends.

[followerofjesus]

The palestinians send suicide bombers,if Mexico did this to USA there would be one big crater in South America. The Israelis should declare war if anything they have been soft. The Muslim hatred for the Jews has been around for centuries.