GOD DOES HAVE A BODY.

[EricH]

So, all these plain simple statements of Scripture are just interpretations of what God realy means?

No, that is not what I said. I said that they are not meant to be understood in the hyper literal sense that you are insisting that they mean. As I stated before, when you are confronted with descriptions of God that are parallel in form to the verses you cite, you are not consistent in your approach. Statements about God's "eyes" and "arm" are mentioned in the same style and language/linguistic form as it does when it uses inanimate NONHUMAN objects or animals to describe God. The problem lies in the fact that you treat the same figurative device differently depending on what you want to accept as true.

And we are not made in His image and likeness, we just think we are? Very interesting?

Itis not that we are not made in God's image. We are made in His image, but in a moral sense. I have already pointed out that we are separate from the rest of creation due to our intellectual, emotional, and spirtual superiority. God made us higher than all other life forms on earth.

The error you are making is demanding the "image" MUST mean "physcial image."

Exactly.

[HAZARD]

Wow, Im going to be busy over the next few days crossing out all these Scriptures out of my Bibles starting with these?

God has a spirit body with bodily parts like a man. This is proved by hundreds of Scriptures that do not need interpretation. God is a Spirit being, infinate, eternal, immutable, self-existent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, invisible, impartial, imortal, absolutly holy, full of wisdom, full of knowledge, and just in all things. God is known in Scripture by over two hundred names. He is describes as being like any other person as to having a body, soul, and spirit (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3; Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-7). He is a spirit being with a body (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6, 9-19, Exodus 24:11; Gen. 18' 32:24-32; Ezek. 1:26-28; Acts 7:54-59; Rev. 4:2-4; 5:1, 5-7; 22:4-5); shape (John 5:37); form (Phil. 2:5-7, same Greek word as in Mark 16:12, which refers to bodily form); and an image and likeness of a man (Gen. 1:26; 9:6; Ezek. 1:26-28; 1 Cor. 11:7; jas. 3:9; Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6). Note, the difference between a spirit body and a flesh and blood body is substance. Spirit is an eternal substance, flesh and blood is temporal. And we are to become glorified flesh and blood as Jesus is.

God has a heart (Gen. 6:6; 8:21); he has hands and fingers (Exod. 31:18; Psalms 8:3-6; Rev. 5:1, 6-7); Nostrils (Ps. 18:8); mouth (Num. 12:8); lips and a toung (Isa. 30:27; feet (Ezek. 1:27; Exodus 24:10); eyes, eyelids, sight (Ps. 11:4; 18:24; 33:18); voice (Ps. 29; Rev. 10:3-4; Gen. 1); breath (Gen. 2:70; ears (Ps. 18:6); head, hair, face, arms (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-19; Rev. 5:1; loins (Ezek. 1:26:28; 8:1-4); bodily presence (Gen. 3:8; 18:1-22; Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7; Exodus 24:10-11); and many other bodily parts as required by Him to be a person with a body.

Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE and lived! "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved" (Gen. 32:30). Abraham made a dinner for God and two angels and they ate food (Gen. 18). Moses talked with God face to face (Exodus 33:11-23). Seventy four elders had a banquet with God in Sinai (Exodus 24:9-11). Joshua and all Israel saw God with a sword in His hand (Josh. 5:13-15).

Gidion (Judg. 6:11-23), Manoah and wife (Judg. 13:3-23), David (1 Chron. 21:16-17), Job (42:5), Isaiah (6:1-13), Amos (9:1), and others saw God standing on the ground, sitting on thrones, and having a body with bodily parts like a man. Ezekiel saw God on a chariot and described Him as having an "appearance of a man" with loins and the upper and lower parts of a body like a man (Ezek 1:26-28; 10:1, 20; 40:3). Daniel saw both God the Father and the Son of man as two separate beiongs at the same time and at the same place. God was on a throne, and had on white cloths, and His hair was white. The Son of man also had a body, had cloths on, and had hair on His head (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6). Stephen saw bith God and Christ at the same time and place with thesame eyes (Acts 7:56-59).

God goes from place to place just like any one else (Gen. 3:8; 11:5; 18:1-22, 33; 19:24; 32:24-32; 35:13; Zech. 14:5; Titus 2:13). God is omnipresent but not omnibody, that is His presence can be felt everywhere but His body is not everywhere. God wears cloths (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-19; God eats food (Gen. 18:1-22; Exodus 24:11).

There is not one Scripture in the Bible which states that God is intangible, immaterial, without a body, or bodily parts, and pasions except John 4:24, "God is a spirit," and this certainly does not teach that He is without a body.

Paul speaks of the human flesh and bone bodies in the resurrection as being "Spiritual" (1 Cor. 15:42-44), like unto Christs glorious body (Luke 24:39; Phil. 3:20-21); so if human bodies that become spiritualized are still material and tangible, then cretianly God and other spirits have bodies just as real and still be spirit beings. John 4:24 is a statement of fact that God is a Spirit, but it does not define or analyze a spirit.

Turn to Genesis, chapter one. God had been busy for a number of days during that re-creation week, making various CREATURES of the land, sea, and air. Nothing is said about them having the form of God Himself. After all those creatures were created notice what God says in verses 26,27, "....Let us MAKE MAN in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS.. ..So God created MAN in His OWN IMAGE, in the IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female...."

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I AM KIDDING, I wont be crossing out anything. The Scriptures can be believed if we want to believe them.

Right at the very beginning of the Bible, the Eternal God tells us that He created mankind in, not the likeness or image of the angels or any other spirit being, but He formed and gave mankind the IMAGE or LIKENESS of HIMSELF. God took the dirt of the ground and moulded the shape and form of man from it to resemble the image or shape of very GOD.

I wonder if the Word who was with God, (John 1;1), really became flesh (John 1:14); " Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke 24:39), and I wonder if He realy is sitting beside the Father in Heaven? " So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God" (Mark 16:19).These Scriptures cannot be true if God does not have a body can they? I will cross these out as well. And this is a lie as well, "And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends" (Zech. 13:6)?

The Bible predicts that all the redeemed will see God's face (Greek, PROSOPON, countenance, outward appearance, surface, person), with their own eyes (Rev. 7:9; 14:5; 21:3; 22:4-5). See the word face in Matt. 6:17; 18:10; 26:39, 67; Acts 6:15; 20:25, 38; 1 Cor. 13:12; Rev. 4:7; 6:16; 10:1; 20:11. The word used in these passages of both God and man, so both must have a face. Are we going to call all these witnesses false, just to be in harmony with modern interpreters who never once saw God? I would prefer to take the word of men who saw God and who know what they are talking about.

The Bible does not say that the bodily parts of God are figures of speech or mere human expressions trying to convey some idea of God, or that they do away with the reality of God's body. All figures of speech emphasize and make as real or more real the ideas they express than if real language were used. There can be no true figure of speech to convey an idea unless the idea conveyed is real; so of God's bodily parts are mere figures they are true figures of the real bodily parts of God. Since we do not have God's authority that He is a spiritual nothing, and since we only have the word of men stating this, let us forget the doctrin of the unreality of God and let us believe the Bible literally about God as we do all other subjects.

Paul makes it very clear that men can understand all about Gos. He gives us a simple illustration of the Godhead. He says that even sinners can comprehend God.

"Because THAT WHICH MAY BE KNOWN OF GOD IS MANIFEST IN THEM; for God HATH SHEWED IT UNTO THEM. For the INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM from the creation of the world ARE CLEARLY SEEN, being understood BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE, EVEN HIS ETERNAL POWER AND GODHEAD; so that THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE" (Romans 1:19-21). If the invisible things and the eternal power of the Godhead are CLEARLY SEEN by the visible things that God has made in this world, then all we need do is to use our common sense in connection with plain statements of Scripture to find out what the Godhead is really like. IF SINNERS CAN UNDERSTAND GOD, certainly we saints ought to be able to do likewise. There must be some clear and visible thing or things in this world that will help us to understand God and what God looks like and we can be without excuse for any ignorance.

It does not sound as if God is such a mystery if He can be CLEARLY SEEN by something visible in this world. What visible thing on Earth gives us a visible picture of the invisible God?

Man would naturally be the visible thing that clearly illustrates the Godhead. "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" Gen. 1:26-27).

Man has a body, soul, and spirit; so if he is the visible thing that clearly illustrates what God is like then God must have a personal body, soul, and spirit. If the Godhead consists of three separate and distince persons, as plainly stated in 1 John 5:7-8, then we are to believe that each person has a personal body, soul, and spirit, as is the cas with each man. If there are tree persons in the Godhead and they exist as one, we must understand this oneness to be the same as in the case of several men being one-one in unity, as in John 17:11, 21-23; Matt. 19:5; Heb. 2:11; 1 Cor. 6:17; Acts 4:32.

[EricH]

Again, you still have not answered the question on the method you use to determin what is a figure of sppech and what is not. Until you do that , simply reposting verses really does not add to the discussion or further your point.

[Phil.2:12]

Wow, Im going to be busy over the next few days crossing out all these Scriptures out of my Bibles starting with these?

God has a spirit body with bodily parts like a man. This is proved by hundreds of Scriptures that do not need interpretation. God is a Spirit being, infinate, eternal, immutable, self-existent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, invisible, impartial, imortal, absolutly holy, full of wisdom, full of knowledge, and just in all things. God is known in Scripture by over two hundred names. He is describes as being like any other person as to having a body, soul, and spirit (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3; Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-7). He is a spirit being with a body (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6, 9-19, Exodus 24:11; Gen. 18' 32:24-32; Ezek. 1:26-28; Acts 7:54-59; Rev. 4:2-4; 5:1, 5-7; 22:4-5); shape (John 5:37); form (Phil. 2:5-7, same Greek word as in Mark 16:12, which refers to bodily form); and an image and likeness of a man (Gen. 1:26; 9:6; Ezek. 1:26-28; 1 Cor. 11:7; jas. 3:9; Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6). Note, the difference between a spirit body and a flesh and blood body is substance. Spirit is an eternal substance, flesh and blood is temporal. And we are to become glorified flesh and blood as Jesus is.

God has a heart (Gen. 6:6; 8:21); he has hands and fingers (Exod. 31:18; Psalms 8:3-6; Rev. 5:1, 6-7); Nostrils (Ps. 18:8); mouth (Num. 12:8); lips and a toung (Isa. 30:27; feet (Ezek. 1:27; Exodus 24:10); eyes, eyelids, sight (Ps. 11:4; 18:24; 33:18); voice (Ps. 29; Rev. 10:3-4; Gen. 1); breath (Gen. 2:70; ears (Ps. 18:6); head, hair, face, arms (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-19; Rev. 5:1; loins (Ezek. 1:26:28; 8:1-4); bodily presence (Gen. 3:8; 18:1-22; Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7; Exodus 24:10-11); and many other bodily parts as required by Him to be a person with a body.

Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE and lived! "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved" (Gen. 32:30). Abraham made a dinner for God and two angels and they ate food (Gen. 18). Moses talked with God face to face (Exodus 33:11-23). Seventy four elders had a banquet with God in Sinai (Exodus 24:9-11). Joshua and all Israel saw God with a sword in His hand (Josh. 5:13-15).

Gidion (Judg. 6:11-23), Manoah and wife (Judg. 13:3-23), David (1 Chron. 21:16-17), Job (42:5), Isaiah (6:1-13), Amos (9:1), and others saw God standing on the ground, sitting on thrones, and having a body with bodily parts like a man. Ezekiel saw God on a chariot and described Him as having an "appearance of a man" with loins and the upper and lower parts of a body like a man (Ezek 1:26-28; 10:1, 20; 40:3). Daniel saw both God the Father and the Son of man as two separate beiongs at the same time and at the same place. God was on a throne, and had on white cloths, and His hair was white. The Son of man also had a body, had cloths on, and had hair on His head (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6). Stephen saw bith God and Christ at the same time and place with thesame eyes (Acts 7:56-59).

God goes from place to place just like any one else (Gen. 3:8; 11:5; 18:1-22, 33; 19:24; 32:24-32; 35:13; Zech. 14:5; Titus 2:13). God is omnipresent but not omnibody, that is His presence can be felt everywhere but His body is not everywhere. God wears cloths (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-19; God eats food (Gen. 18:1-22; Exodus 24:11).

There is not one Scripture in the Bible which states that God is intangible, immaterial, without a body, or bodily parts, and pasions except John 4:24, "God is a spirit," and this certainly does not teach that He is without a body.

Paul speaks of the human flesh and bone bodies in the resurrection as being "Spiritual" (1 Cor. 15:42-44), like unto Christs glorious body (Luke 24:39; Phil. 3:20-21); so if human bodies that become spiritualized are still material and tangible, then cretianly God and other spirits have bodies just as real and still be spirit beings. John 4:24 is a statement of fact that God is a Spirit, but it does not define or analyze a spirit.

Turn to Genesis, chapter one. God had been busy for a number of days during that re-creation week, making various CREATURES of the land, sea, and air. Nothing is said about them having the form of God Himself. After all those creatures were created notice what God says in verses 26,27, "....Let us MAKE MAN in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS.. ..So God created MAN in His OWN IMAGE, in the IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female...."

**************************************************************

I AM KIDDING, I wont be crossing out anything. The Scriptures can be believed if we want to believe them.

Right at the very beginning of the Bible, the Eternal God tells us that He created mankind in, not the likeness or image of the angels or any other spirit being, but He formed and gave mankind the IMAGE or LIKENESS of HIMSELF. God took the dirt of the ground and moulded the shape and form of man from it to resemble the image or shape of very GOD.

I wonder if the Word who was with God, (John 1;1), really became flesh (John 1:14); " Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke 24:39), and I wonder if He realy is sitting beside the Father in Heaven? " So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God" (Mark 16:19).These Scriptures cannot be true if God does not have a body can they? I will cross these out as well. And this is a lie as well, "And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends" (Zech. 13:6)?

The Bible predicts that all the redeemed will see God's face (Greek, PROSOPON, countenance, outward appearance, surface, person), with their own eyes (Rev. 7:9; 14:5; 21:3; 22:4-5). See the word face in Matt. 6:17; 18:10; 26:39, 67; Acts 6:15; 20:25, 38; 1 Cor. 13:12; Rev. 4:7; 6:16; 10:1; 20:11. The word used in these passages of both God and man, so both must have a face. Are we going to call all these witnesses false, just to be in harmony with modern interpreters who never once saw God? I would prefer to take the word of men who saw God and who know what they are talking about.

The Bible does not say that the bodily parts of God are figures of speech or mere human expressions trying to convey some idea of God, or that they do away with the reality of God's body. All figures of speech emphasize and make as real or more real the ideas they express than if real language were used. There can be no true figure of speech to convey an idea unless the idea conveyed is real; so of God's bodily parts are mere figures they are true figures of the real bodily parts of God. Since we do not have God's authority that He is a spiritual nothing, and since we only have the word of men stating this, let us forget the doctrin of the unreality of God and let us believe the Bible literally about God as we do all other subjects.

Paul makes it very clear that men can understand all about Gos. He gives us a simple illustration of the Godhead. He says that even sinners can comprehend God.

"Because THAT WHICH MAY BE KNOWN OF GOD IS MANIFEST IN THEM; for God HATH SHEWED IT UNTO THEM. For the INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM from the creation of the world ARE CLEARLY SEEN, being understood BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE, EVEN HIS ETERNAL POWER AND GODHEAD; so that THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE" (Romans 1:19-21). If the invisible things and the eternal power of the Godhead are CLEARLY SEEN by the visible things that God has made in this world, then all we need do is to use our common sense in connection with plain statements of Scripture to find out what the Godhead is really like. IF SINNERS CAN UNDERSTAND GOD, certainly we saints ought to be able to do likewise. There must be some clear and visible thing or things in this world that will help us to understand God and what God looks like and we can be without excuse for any ignorance.

It does not sound as if God is such a mystery if He can be CLEARLY SEEN by something visible in this world. What visible thing on Earth gives us a visible picture of the invisible God?

Man would naturally be the visible thing that clearly illustrates the Godhead. "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" Gen. 1:26-27).

Man has a body, soul, and spirit; so if he is the visible thing that clearly illustrates what God is like then God must have a personal body, soul, and spirit. If the Godhead consists of three separate and distince persons, as plainly stated in 1 John 5:7-8, then we are to believe that each person has a personal body, soul, and spirit, as is the cas with each man. If there are tree persons in the Godhead and they exist as one, we must understand this oneness to be the same as in the case of several men being one-one in unity, as in John 17:11, 21-23; Matt. 19:5; Heb. 2:11; 1 Cor. 6:17; Acts 4:32.

My, my, what a great example of someone proving a preconcieved point by twisting Scripture to fit their pecular point. When, there in Genesis, God talked about creating man in His image, He was referring to His spiritual image, not a physical image. And how do we know that God does not have a physical image? Because of the Omni attributes of God. God is Omnipresent, which is impossible to be with a corporeal body such as you feel God has. Look no farther than Jesus, who was God's Son in human form. Jesus could never be in two or more places at once, otherwise He could have been present with the centurian's daughter while a woman with a serious blood discharge clung to His hem. There are many other instances in the New Testament where it would have served Jesus well if He could be in two or more places at the same exact moment. However, even as the Son of God and the Second member of the Trinity was limited by His corporeal body, so would His Father, or the Holy Spirit be limited in any corporeal body that they might possess. Omnipresence is impossible with a corporeal body, therefore Almighty God has never had a corporeal body as man does. Sorry to deflate your baloon, but the truth is the truth.

[HAZARD]

Wow, Im going to be busy over the next few days crossing out all these Scriptures out of my Bibles starting with these?

God has a spirit body with bodily parts like a man. This is proved by hundreds of Scriptures that do not need interpretation. God is a Spirit being, infinate, eternal, immutable, self-existent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, invisible, impartial, imortal, absolutly holy, full of wisdom, full of knowledge, and just in all things. God is known in Scripture by over two hundred names. He is describes as being like any other person as to having a body, soul, and spirit (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3; Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-7). He is a spirit being with a body (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6, 9-19, Exodus 24:11; Gen. 18' 32:24-32; Ezek. 1:26-28; Acts 7:54-59; Rev. 4:2-4; 5:1, 5-7; 22:4-5); shape (John 5:37); form (Phil. 2:5-7, same Greek word as in Mark 16:12, which refers to bodily form); and an image and likeness of a man (Gen. 1:26; 9:6; Ezek. 1:26-28; 1 Cor. 11:7; jas. 3:9; Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6). Note, the difference between a spirit body and a flesh and blood body is substance. Spirit is an eternal substance, flesh and blood is temporal. And we are to become glorified flesh and blood as Jesus is.

God has a heart (Gen. 6:6; 8:21); he has hands and fingers (Exod. 31:18; Psalms 8:3-6; Rev. 5:1, 6-7); Nostrils (Ps. 18:8); mouth (Num. 12:8); lips and a toung (Isa. 30:27; feet (Ezek. 1:27; Exodus 24:10); eyes, eyelids, sight (Ps. 11:4; 18:24; 33:18); voice (Ps. 29; Rev. 10:3-4; Gen. 1); breath (Gen. 2:70; ears (Ps. 18:6); head, hair, face, arms (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-19; Rev. 5:1; loins (Ezek. 1:26:28; 8:1-4); bodily presence (Gen. 3:8; 18:1-22; Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7; Exodus 24:10-11); and many other bodily parts as required by Him to be a person with a body.

Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE and lived! "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved" (Gen. 32:30). Abraham made a dinner for God and two angels and they ate food (Gen. 18). Moses talked with God face to face (Exodus 33:11-23). Seventy four elders had a banquet with God in Sinai (Exodus 24:9-11). Joshua and all Israel saw God with a sword in His hand (Josh. 5:13-15).

Gidion (Judg. 6:11-23), Manoah and wife (Judg. 13:3-23), David (1 Chron. 21:16-17), Job (42:5), Isaiah (6:1-13), Amos (9:1), and others saw God standing on the ground, sitting on thrones, and having a body with bodily parts like a man. Ezekiel saw God on a chariot and described Him as having an "appearance of a man" with loins and the upper and lower parts of a body like a man (Ezek 1:26-28; 10:1, 20; 40:3). Daniel saw both God the Father and the Son of man as two separate beiongs at the same time and at the same place. God was on a throne, and had on white cloths, and His hair was white. The Son of man also had a body, had cloths on, and had hair on His head (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6). Stephen saw bith God and Christ at the same time and place with thesame eyes (Acts 7:56-59).

God goes from place to place just like any one else (Gen. 3:8; 11:5; 18:1-22, 33; 19:24; 32:24-32; 35:13; Zech. 14:5; Titus 2:13). God is omnipresent but not omnibody, that is His presence can be felt everywhere but His body is not everywhere. God wears cloths (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-19; God eats food (Gen. 18:1-22; Exodus 24:11).

There is not one Scripture in the Bible which states that God is intangible, immaterial, without a body, or bodily parts, and pasions except John 4:24, "God is a spirit," and this certainly does not teach that He is without a body.

Paul speaks of the human flesh and bone bodies in the resurrection as being "Spiritual" (1 Cor. 15:42-44), like unto Christs glorious body (Luke 24:39; Phil. 3:20-21); so if human bodies that become spiritualized are still material and tangible, then cretianly God and other spirits have bodies just as real and still be spirit beings. John 4:24 is a statement of fact that God is a Spirit, but it does not define or analyze a spirit.

Turn to Genesis, chapter one. God had been busy for a number of days during that re-creation week, making various CREATURES of the land, sea, and air. Nothing is said about them having the form of God Himself. After all those creatures were created notice what God says in verses 26,27, "....Let us MAKE MAN in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS.. ..So God created MAN in His OWN IMAGE, in the IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female...."

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I AM KIDDING, I wont be crossing out anything. The Scriptures can be believed if we want to believe them.

Right at the very beginning of the Bible, the Eternal God tells us that He created mankind in, not the likeness or image of the angels or any other spirit being, but He formed and gave mankind the IMAGE or LIKENESS of HIMSELF. God took the dirt of the ground and moulded the shape and form of man from it to resemble the image or shape of very GOD.

I wonder if the Word who was with God, (John 1;1), really became flesh (John 1:14); " Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke 24:39), and I wonder if He realy is sitting beside the Father in Heaven? " So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God" (Mark 16:19).These Scriptures cannot be true if God does not have a body can they? I will cross these out as well. And this is a lie as well, "And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends" (Zech. 13:6)?

The Bible predicts that all the redeemed will see God's face (Greek, PROSOPON, countenance, outward appearance, surface, person), with their own eyes (Rev. 7:9; 14:5; 21:3; 22:4-5). See the word face in Matt. 6:17; 18:10; 26:39, 67; Acts 6:15; 20:25, 38; 1 Cor. 13:12; Rev. 4:7; 6:16; 10:1; 20:11. The word used in these passages of both God and man, so both must have a face. Are we going to call all these witnesses false, just to be in harmony with modern interpreters who never once saw God? I would prefer to take the word of men who saw God and who know what they are talking about.

The Bible does not say that the bodily parts of God are figures of speech or mere human expressions trying to convey some idea of God, or that they do away with the reality of God's body. All figures of speech emphasize and make as real or more real the ideas they express than if real language were used. There can be no true figure of speech to convey an idea unless the idea conveyed is real; so of God's bodily parts are mere figures they are true figures of the real bodily parts of God. Since we do not have God's authority that He is a spiritual nothing, and since we only have the word of men stating this, let us forget the doctrin of the unreality of God and let us believe the Bible literally about God as we do all other subjects.

Paul makes it very clear that men can understand all about Gos. He gives us a simple illustration of the Godhead. He says that even sinners can comprehend God.

"Because THAT WHICH MAY BE KNOWN OF GOD IS MANIFEST IN THEM; for God HATH SHEWED IT UNTO THEM. For the INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM from the creation of the world ARE CLEARLY SEEN, being understood BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE, EVEN HIS ETERNAL POWER AND GODHEAD; so that THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE" (Romans 1:19-21). If the invisible things and the eternal power of the Godhead are CLEARLY SEEN by the visible things that God has made in this world, then all we need do is to use our common sense in connection with plain statements of Scripture to find out what the Godhead is really like. IF SINNERS CAN UNDERSTAND GOD, certainly we saints ought to be able to do likewise. There must be some clear and visible thing or things in this world that will help us to understand God and what God looks like and we can be without excuse for any ignorance.

It does not sound as if God is such a mystery if He can be CLEARLY SEEN by something visible in this world. What visible thing on Earth gives us a visible picture of the invisible God?

Man would naturally be the visible thing that clearly illustrates the Godhead. "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" Gen. 1:26-27).

Man has a body, soul, and spirit; so if he is the visible thing that clearly illustrates what God is like then God must have a personal body, soul, and spirit. If the Godhead consists of three separate and distince persons, as plainly stated in 1 John 5:7-8, then we are to believe that each person has a personal body, soul, and spirit, as is the cas with each man. If there are tree persons in the Godhead and they exist as one, we must understand this oneness to be the same as in the case of several men being one-one in unity, as in John 17:11, 21-23; Matt. 19:5; Heb. 2:11; 1 Cor. 6:17; Acts 4:32.

My, my, what a great example of someone proving a preconcieved point by twisting Scripture to fit their pecular point. When, there in Genesis, God talked about creating man in His image, He was referring to His spiritual image, not a physical image. And how do we know that God does not have a physical image? Because of the Omni attributes of God. God is Omnipresent, which is impossible to be with a corporeal body such as you feel God has. Look no farther than Jesus, who was God's Son in human form. Jesus could never be in two or more places at once, otherwise He could have been present with the centurian's daughter while a woman with a serious blood discharge clung to His hem. There are many other instances in the New Testament where it would have served Jesus well if He could be in two or more places at the same exact moment. However, even as the Son of God and the Second member of the Trinity was limited by His corporeal body, so would His Father, or the Holy Spirit be limited in any corporeal body that they might possess. Omnipresence is impossible with a corporeal body, therefore Almighty God has never had a corporeal body as man does. Sorry to deflate your baloon, but the truth is the truth.

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Back at ya! My, my, what a great example of someone proving a preconcieved point by twisting Scripture to fit their pecular point.

Poor Jacob must have been hallucinating, on drugs, or maybe he was drunk? He had a bad night by the looks of these Scriptures, wrestling with a figment of his imagination. His imagination even corked his thigh, shrank the sinew, even changed his name, and then blessed him! Did they have "ice" back in those days?

"And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day" (Gen. 32:24). This person must have had a body for Jacob to wrestle?

"And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him" (Gen. 32:25). This person touched Jacob and had the power to shrink Jacobs sinew!

"And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me" (Gen. 32:26). This person said let me go, so he must had had hold of something tangibil.

"And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob" (Gen. 32:27). This person asked Jacob his name?

"And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed" (Gen. 32:28). This person had the authority to change Jacob's name to Israel?

"And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there" (Gen. 32:29). This person blessed Jacob so he must have been there on the spot with him, and not everywhere at the same time?

"And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved" (*Gen. 32:30). Who did Jacob say he saw, the one who had the power to shrink his sinew, to change his name to Israel? and lived to tell the tale?

"And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh" (Gen. 32:31). O'h, that imaginary thigh, still aching, wonder how that happened? Could his imagination have shrunk the sinew in his thigh?

""Because THAT WHICH MAY BE KNOWN OF GOD IS MANIFEST IN THEM; for God HATH SHEWED IT UNTO THEM. For the INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM from the creation of the world ARE CLEARLY SEEN, being understood BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE, EVEN HIS ETERNAL POWER AND GODHEAD; so that THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE" (Romans 1:19-21). If the invisible things and the eternal power of the Godhead are CLEARLY SEEN by the visible things that God has made in this world, then all we need do is to use our common sense in connection with plain statements of Scripture to find out what the Godhead is really like. IF SINNERS CAN UNDERSTAND GOD, certainly we saints ought to be able to do likewise. There must be some clear and visible thing or things in this world that will help us to understand God and what God looks like and we can be without excuse for any ignorance."

As free moral agents we can believe what we like. I prefer to believe what the Scriptures say. But, what ever rows your boat, is ok by me.

Haz.

[Guest shiloh357]

""Because THAT WHICH MAY BE KNOWN OF GOD IS MANIFEST IN THEM; for God HATH SHEWED IT UNTO THEM. For the INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM from the creation of the world ARE CLEARLY SEEN, being understood BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE, EVEN HIS ETERNAL POWER AND GODHEAD; so that THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE" (Romans 1:19-21). If the invisible things and the eternal power of the Godhead are CLEARLY SEEN by the visible things that God has made in this world, then all we need do is to use our common sense in connection with plain statements of Scripture to find out what the Godhead is really like. IF SINNERS CAN UNDERSTAND GOD, certainly we saints ought to be able to do likewise. There must be some clear and visible thing or things in this world that will help us to understand God and what God looks like and we can be without excuse for any ignorance."

You are misunerstanding the passgae. The passage out of Romans that you cite does not refer to the creation showing us what physically looks like. That is not the point Paul is making at all. Verse 20 makes it clear from the Greek that it is talking about God's invisible qualities. Paul's point in Romans 1:19-21, is that the world is without excuse with respect to their disobedience in that God has created the world in a way that reveals who he is, his attributes, character and operations. It has nothing to do with any kind of testimony to God's physical appearance.

Here is how that reads from the NIV:

since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God

[Guest shiloh357]

Hazard wrote:

[Guest shiloh357]

If you will consider it, you employ the same methods every day when you distinguish between metaphors and actual descriptions. When I say,

[EricH]

Btw, your condescending attitude is showing. God values the simplicity of a child and you seem to rather enjoy a supercilious complication of a perfectly good plain rendering of the word. Imho, less is more. Stick with literal unless it

[Guest man]

God made man in His image and likeness, so that means He looks like us, and we look like Him. God made us in His image and likeness, and if He does not have a body, how come you have a body? Common sense must prevail.

Couldn't His image and likeness be interpreted to mean righteous and holy?

Remember Adam was without sin when God first created him.

The bible also states that God is invisible and as someone already stated "a spirit".

Romans 1:22-23 says this...Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man...

Now I'm going to ask you something really stupid.....If God has a body and the earth is His footstool, why can't we see Him?