GOD DOES HAVE A BODY.

[Guest shiloh357]

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Shiloh wrote:

That is not how hermeneutics work. When it comes to rules of literary analysis, you don't simply change them midstream to suit what you want to believer or not believe. The rules have to be applied consistently, otherwise, it amounts to you making the Bible or any piece of literature fit your personal taste. Suddenly the text is no longer able to speak for itself but must bow to the whims of the reader.

Let

[Guest]

O God of Israel, the Saviour

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.

Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.

Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right." Isaiah 45:7-19

Jesus The Savior

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God" Hebrew 12:2

The Gift Of God

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16

God has always muted the fullness of His glory and presence when appearing to men, otherwise none of the prophets or writers of Scripture would have survived to write what they saw.

The Understatement Of The Year Beloved Brother

When The Glory Of The Father

"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" John 14:9

Is Unveiled By The Son

"All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him" Matthew 11:27

The Universe Flees

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them" Revelation 20:11

And All Is New

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son" Revelation 21:1-7

Amen!

Even So Come Quickly LORD Jesus Come Quickly

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Guest shiloh357]

Sorry but you have demonstrated my point. Take the first two. These are both prophesies. The first one has literal dogs:

2 Kings 9:10

And the dogs shall eat Jezebel in the portion of Jezreel, and there shall be none to bury her.

And the second has figurative dogs:

Psalm 22:16

For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

If you look again at Psalm 22:16, you will also note that the dogs are figurative, and the hands and feet are literal. Poof

[HAZARD]

This describes God,

It is describing the resurrected Christ. Jesus has a body. He ascended into heaven with it. It is not, however, describing God the Father. Nice try, though. But you still have not offered any description of the spirit body of the Father.

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Check this out.

"And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day"" (Genesis 3:8).

Adam and Eve heard God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and God called them. God has legs and they must be attached to His body for Him to walk in the garden. God asked Adam where art thou? Adam heard God speaking. God must have a head, mouth and tongue with which to speak and all this must be attached to His body. God is not a head attached to legs?

Moses and seventy Elders saw God and did eat with God. They saw Him standing on His feet, on a paved work of sapphire of the purest clarity.

"Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they SAW the God of Israel: and there was under his FEET as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his HAND: also they SAW GOD, and did eat and drink.(Exodus 24:9-11).

Moses and seventy elders of Israel saw God, and God laid not a hand upon them, and He had a banquet with them. Notice he had feet, hands and God ate with them.

God the Father, as mentioned in previous posts supported by Scripture is in Heaven running the universe and sits ON A THRONE and Jesus who has had His Glory restored, which He had with the Father from the beginning, sits beside God on His RIGHT SIDE. We are commanded to come boldly to the Throne of God when in need, and ask the Father in Jesus Name anything, "and He will give it you."

"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Hebrews 4:16).

"Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens" (Hebrews 8:1).

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the RIGHT HAND of the THRONE of GOD" (Hebrews 12:2).

Mate we all know Jesus has a resurrected glorified physical body, and remember that he now sist on the right HAND of God;

"So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God" (Mark 16:19).

"Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God" (Luke 22:69).

To be on a throne in Heaven, God must be present there. To be sitting on a throne God must have a body with which to sit. To Have a right hand God must have a body to which it is attached.

[HAZARD]

There is no way to be omnipresent and be contained in a body.

Correct. One cannot be bodily present throughout the Earth and even the universe.

The word omnipotent is mentioned once in Scripture in Revelation 19:6. The word omnipresent is not mentioned at all. Spirit beings including God Himself cannot be omnipresent in body, for they can only be in one place at a time the same way the bodies of men are localized, being in one place at a time. God, angles, and other spirit beings go from place to place bodily as men do; but their presence can be anywhere in the universe wherever there are other persons who also have the sense of presence enough to feel the presence of others regardless of bodily distance between them. Christ is a true example of what is meant by omnipresence. He said, "where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matt. 18:20) In what sense is He in the midst of so many gatherings? This could not mean that He is bodily present, for His body is in Heaven seated at the right hand of God as 24 Scriptures clearly declare (Psa. 110:1, 5; Mark 16:19; Col. 3:1; Heb. 1:3; etc.) God personally dwells in Heaven, not everywhere. Jesus addresses His Father and refered to Him as being in Heaven. EIGHTEEN TIMES He said, "Father which is in Heaven" (Matt. 5:16, 45, 48; 6:1, 9; 7:11, 21 stc.). Shall we conclude that Jesus did not know what He was talking about? Not one time does one Scripture refer to God as being bodily everywhere. God is omni-present but not omni-body, that is, His presence can be felt by moral agents who believe and who are everywhere all over the Earth, but His body cannot be seen by them every place at the same time.

[patricia1]

Sometimes we are to smart to see the simplicities!

First Shilo-- Hi there I would never had known you wanted a description of God's Spirit until recently which is different that His Body. Your other posts, and I could very well be mistaken, had not mentioned that.

Second~~~ hi David God can do anything He chooses to. If he chooses to walk past Moses or stay sitting on his throne...which in fact if he sits he has a bottom. lol

I try to stay from areas like this do to the fact that our comprehension and ability to understand such mysteries are definitely limited by our human intelligence.

He spoke through a ass...He could have decided to come down and stand before baalam. He spoke to Moses up the mountain. He could have came down but did not.

Bringing God down to our level is so dangerous as well as trying to understand the word without a personal relationship with its author.

we see in part and believe in part! God chooses Himself to reveal what he wants a individual to know as well as much a finite mind wants to know. God has a body, filled with Glory and Love, compassion and Great and wonderful thoughts toward us.

How can I be in the apple of His eye if he has none?( meaning pupil - apple )

How can He be always watching Israel and seeing me and you? it does not matter how!! HE DOES!

[HAZARD]

There is no way to be omnipresent and be contained in a body.

Correct. One cannot be bodily present throughout the Earth and even the universe.

The word omnipotent is mentioned once in Scripture in Revelation 19:6. The word omnipresent is not mentioned at all. Spirit beings including God Himself cannot be omnipresent in body, for they can only be in one place at a time the same way the bodies of men are localized, being in one place at a time. God, angles, and other spirit beings go from place to place bodily as men do; but their presence can be anywhere in the universe wherever there are other persons who also have the sense of presence enough to feel the presence of others regardless of bodily distance between them. Christ is a true example of what is meant by omnipresence. He said, "where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matt. 18:20) In what sense is He in the midst of so many gatherings? This could not mean that He is bodily present, for His body is in Heaven seated at the right hand of God as 24 Scriptures clearly declare (Psa. 110:1, 5; Mark 16:19; Col. 3:1; Heb. 1:3; etc.) God personally dwells in Heaven, not everywhere. Jesus addresses His Father and refered to Him as being in Heaven. EIGHTEEN TIMES He said, "Father which is in Heaven" (Matt. 5:16, 45, 48; 6:1, 9; 7:11, 21 stc.). Shall we conclude that Jesus did not know what He was talking about? Not one time does one Scripture refer to God as being bodily everywhere. God is omni-present but not omni-body, that is, His presence can be felt by moral agents who believe and who are everywhere all over the Earth, but His body cannot be seen by them every place at the same time.

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[Guest shiloh357]

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Shiloh wrote:

Yes, but you are forgetting something, which I had made clear earlier. Consistent use in interpretation extends not only to literary types but also to literary devices. I am referring to those textual indicators that show us how key words are to be understood in the passage, and it doesn't matter if you are talking about prophecies, parables, proverbs, etc. Sometimes a prophecy will use "dogs" in reference to a literal animal, and sometimes it doesn't. The key is to be consistent in your use of the literary devices and types when you engage in interpretation.

I don

[Guest shiloh357]

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Shiloh wrote:

That is because you misunderstood me to mean that if "dogs" is figurative in one prophecy then it must be figurative in other prophecies in order to be "consistent" and that is not what I said much less, meant. What mean by consistency is that if, for example the verse in Psalm 22 and the verse in 2Kings were both using "dogs" in a figurative sense, you cannot decide to that one is using "dogs" figuratively and the other is not. You have to use the same rules consistently when you are interpreting prophecy and when figurative devices are used. Being consistent in the interpretative process will allow you to arrive with the proper understanding of what the author is trying to convey, and it doesn't matter if you are talking about prophecy, parables or any other literary type the Bible employs.

That was such convoluted reasoning, I don

[Guest shiloh357]

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Shiloh wrote:

No, that is not what I said. What I said is that if the authors of the two passages are both using figurative devices, you cannot decide arbitrarily to consider one as being literal and the other to be figurative. I did not say both prophecies MUST use "dogs" either figuratively or literally to be consistent. What I said was that you have to be consistent in the handling of figurative devices.

So, how does that statement help determine if something is being used figuratively or literally? Are you trying to say if a writer employs a figurative devise then everything he writes is to be considered figurative? I believe what you really want to say is that it