WN: Fox Under Fire for Excluding Ron Paul - NewsMax

[faith pleases God]

I like Ron Paul better than I like any of the Democratic candidates. What I don't like is that he is running as a republican rather than Independent. Such tactics do not bode well for one who desires to lead this nation.

He's won 10 times as a republican. He's more republican than Giuliani, Thompson, Huckabee, Mccain and Romney on all issues. They have lost their way on their party's principles.; Not Ron Paul. Nope consistent. Unlike the others. They are like democrats.

[faith pleases God]

Why waste time on someone who doesn't have a snowballs chance in Hades of winning?

Paul finished 4th in Iowa. There are 5 people in the debate tonight. That means Paul did better than 2 of them.

Paul would have a good chance if we did not have a controlled press and we did have a legitimate system of voting.

Oh, come on now, Katyann! The government doesn't control the press and we do have legitimate voting processes that are audited by other countries (seriously, check it out.) The press, including Fox, is controlled by the battle for ratings and sponsors. In other words...money. Also, Mr. Paul is too far off the platform for most Republicans and is really not electable. But I do think it was wrong to leave him out and it makes Fox look bad.

Remember these same sponsors are the same corporations who lobby our congress, make large political donations etc. thereby influencing or controlling our government officials to a degree that is frightening.

So, I stand by what I said. Of course you are entitled to your opionion.

I don't buy that. I tend to agree that all the candidates should be included in any debate, but really, Paul doesn't stand a snow ball's chance. I say that as one who actually likes most of what Paul has said, excluding his dopey foreign policy ideas.

But this does raise an interesting point of discussion. Are these "debates" even worthwhile anymore? I personally think they are a waste of time since virtually nothing substantive ever comes out of them. Times change and I think that the way we do politics (I am referring to campaigns) needs to change, as well.

I agree about the debates. One thing that I find funny is that when Bush ran on nonintervention and no nation building everyone cheered, but when Ron Paul says the same thing it is "dopey foreign policy ideas."

Faux News is doing it's job well.

Yeah, well, I am the last one you should ask about nation building. Absolutely a bad idea. However, there is a fine line between what is perceived as nation building and buying some peace and quiet from one part of the world by investing in it. Having said that, I maintain that given events of the last few years, Ron Paul's statements about the war are, well, just plain dopey. I refer you to what my friend Butero wrote, which I agree with 100%. In a perfect world, Ron Paul would be the candidate of my choice. But, we're not in a perfect world.

Maybe because we haven't been voting for guys like Ron Paul. We've been voting for selected politicians by lobbyists. Not wise.

Edited January 8, 2008 by faith pleases God

[faith pleases God]

still googling. finding lots of conflicting stuff of course. anyway, best i can tell is that the "debate" is not a debate at all, it is a forum... and ron paul did not respond to the invitation in time. fox did schedule a debate on the tenth that ron paul is invited to.

my personal opinion, possibly jaded by my own dislike for the candidate, is that he has intentionally made a mountain out of a mole hill to stir up media attention for himself. i guess the hookers aren't generating enough money on their backs in the campaign hq bedroom at the bunny rranch.

Oh! I had forgotten that! This was my first reason to be totally turned off by Ron Paul. Is that still going on? I have heard anything about it for a couple of months.

Are you just for your freedom and rights but not others?

[faith pleases God]

I wasn't aware thats what Ron Paul wanted to do. Our bases around the world allow us to respond quickly to threats against us and our allies. If not for our position on Taiwan, China would surely have asserted itself en-force by now. Our bases in Europe have been instrumental in the middle east in situations like Quate (or however you spell it) when Sadam invaded. These bases have also been crucial in emergency relief for places such as Indonesia after the Tsunami. We have a responsibility as a world power to aid those who ask for it. We have to honor our commitments to our allies and defend those who cannot defend themselves, such as the Taiwanese.

I like the idea of a Huckabee/Thompson ticket as well as a Huckabee/Guiliani ticket. I don't want Guiliani as president because of his abortion position but I am certain he is all about national defense. I am still undecided whether he would be a good Vice president or not.

These guys are all CFR members. If you don't want world government don't support them.

[tah]

A link for the National polling..

National Poll results

[Axxman]

Personally...I don't care what party you are from. I'd vote for a democrat if they had a high moral christian standard. Thats what I base my vote on...Christian Morals. I don't care how much money, support, or sense Ron Pauls makes...he has based his campaign in immorality by accepting support from the pornography and prostitution industry. This is besides his racist affiliations with Stormfront in the past. I would think that ANY sane person would not have accepted a penny from them in contributions...and yet Ron Paul accepted Stormfronts contribution to his campaign.

No one is perfect, or absolutely moral...even Christians. However, I don't really care to hear what Ron Paul has to say in a forum setting, and I'm glad Fox has the insight to agree.

[faith pleases God]

Ron Paul stands for freedom. Fox stands for censorship. It's a political discussion that's filtered. People trust their propaganda.

Edited January 9, 2008 by faith pleases God

[Axxman]

Ron Paul stands for freedom. Fox stands for censorship. It's a political discussion that's filtered. People trust their propaganda.

Ron Paul stands for freedom thats falls outside of the will of God. Freedom outside of God's will isn't necessarily freedom and I certainly don't need to see or hear about it.

[MorningGlory]

still googling. finding lots of conflicting stuff of course. anyway, best i can tell is that the "debate" is not a debate at all, it is a forum... and ron paul did not respond to the invitation in time. fox did schedule a debate on the tenth that ron paul is invited to.

my personal opinion, possibly jaded by my own dislike for the candidate, is that he has intentionally made a mountain out of a mole hill to stir up media attention for himself. i guess the hookers aren't generating enough money on their backs in the campaign hq bedroom at the bunny rranch.

Oh! I had forgotten that! This was my first reason to be totally turned off by Ron Paul. Is that still going on? I have heard anything about it for a couple of months.

Are you just for your freedom and rights but not others?

And exactly when did I say that???? Your post makes no sense.

[AnotherTraveler]

Oddly, Dr Ron Paul gives a very accurate accessment of what the constitution says. His advocating of a return to what the founding fathers wrote should be viewed as a truely American answer to our historical base.

The United States has become a super power, but it is the super national status that the world hates, we come across as wanting to be the world's policemen, while we at the very same time dispise and refuse to recognise the "world court" (thank God). We often speak of democracy in lofty and moral tones, but the poor nations can see our excess for what it is.

When someone gets too worked up, there is a saying "pull back your horns". The United States should consider that we can't perpetually project power over the other nations of the world, rich as we are, we are not rich enough to maintain a constant war footing.

Also, the USA has a bad habit of trusting tyrants and supporting very oppressive dictators, when the mood suits us, and then being outraged when these same cruel people attack us. Ossama Bin Laden was trained, equiped, and supported by us when he was our tool against the Russians in Afganastan.

It is easy to dismiss someone as a kook, especially if they make sense and can not be used to our advantage. Fox has a master also, and the powers over Fox have decided to skip the old fair and balanced for outright censorship. If the remainiing candidates had any dignity, they would refuse to appear based on the exclusion of Dr Paul. (I wouldn't personally vote for Dr Paul, but I think he should have the access that he has earned.